salokcinnodrog Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 I got a phone call from a friend today about a close mate of ours who was found dead in his bivvy in the past week. The Cobb was on in his bivvy, and it looked like the angler had fallen asleep in his chair sat upright. From the description, another sad case of carbon monoxide poisoning. Another friend called me about it, asking if I had heard. I actually had a bit more info about the Cobb than Mark, but he had seen a YouTube video where in tests with a Carbon Monoxide detector in a zipped up bivvy, the fatal level with Cobb briquettes or pellets is reached in around 10minutes, a standard gas stove will reach fatal levels in 30minutes. An experienced angler, who took a chance and sadly paid the price. The thing with any level of carbon monoxide is that it makes you feel tired and can send you to sleep, so you simply never wake up. Please please, forget bivvy heaters, stoves on inside a zipped up bivvy and go for decent clothing and sleeping bag instead. framey, Golden Paws, kevtaylor and 3 others 1 1 4 Quote
ouchthathurt Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 Sorry to hear about this mate salokcinnodrog 1 Quote
framey Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 Still cannot fathom why we still hear of at least one a year in today’s age. sorry for the loss. salokcinnodrog 1 Quote
crusian Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 Like the others say , Nick , sorry for your loss salokcinnodrog 1 Quote
jules007 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 sorry for the sad news, never good at all and it is still a fact a heater in a bivvy is a killer Quote
jh92 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 Sorry for your loss nick. It might be worth sharing this on places like Facebook etc as there's a lot of people flooding the carp groups asking about heaters and I'm sure a lot of them don't realise the dangers 👎 crusian 1 Quote
kevtaylor Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 How awful, sorry to hear that. Got a Cobb myself - poor guy, feel for his family and friends. Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted January 7 Author Report Posted January 7 18 hours ago, jh92 said: Sorry for your loss nick. It might be worth sharing this on places like Facebook etc as there's a lot of people flooding the carp groups asking about heaters and I'm sure a lot of them don't realise the dangers 👎 13 hours ago, kevtaylor said: How awful, sorry to hear that. Got a Cobb myself - poor guy, feel for his family and friends. I have shared the post almost word for word on my Facebook timeline and messaged it to some high profile friends, CarpWorld and Carpology. I purposely haven't named the angler as family need some time, respect and respite. Just after getting that phone call I got another one, another friend died at the lake from a suspected heart attack. He'd started packing up, felt rough as he got back to the car, phoned a friend to get help, and the friend found him in the drivers seat. jh92, crusian and kevtaylor 1 2 Quote
Golden Paws Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 Sorry to hear your bad news Nick. Carbon Monoxide is known as "The Silent Killer" as it is odourless and as you breathe in, it makes you sleepy. As you sleep, you breathe in more and the concentration increases. Oxygen is readily attached to the blood and released, CO holds on 400 times more strongly and blocks the Oxygen from attaching and you die. I would never use a bivvy heater, candle system or cook inside. If it is that cold that you think that you need external heat sources, go home, the fish ain't feeding! crusian, salokcinnodrog, jules007 and 1 other 4 Quote
jh92 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 10 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said: I have shared the post almost word for word on my Facebook timeline and messaged it to some high profile friends, CarpWorld and Carpology. I purposely haven't named the angler as family need some time, respect and respite. Just after getting that phone call I got another one, another friend died at the lake from a suspected heart attack. He'd started packing up, felt rough as he got back to the car, phoned a friend to get help, and the friend found him in the drivers seat. I think it had reached a lot of people already mate, seen it on my feed by a few different groups and people are continuing to share it 👍👍 7 hours ago, Golden Paws said: Sorry to hear your bad news Nick. Carbon Monoxide is known as "The Silent Killer" as it is odourless and as you breathe in, it makes you sleepy. As you sleep, you breathe in more and the concentration increases. Oxygen is readily attached to the blood and released, CO holds on 400 times more strongly and blocks the Oxygen from attaching and you die. I would never use a bivvy heater, candle system or cook inside. If it is that cold that you think that you need external heat sources, go home, the fish ain't feeding! I've got 2 hot water bottles in my hold all just incase it gets a bit too cold 👍 seems to be a bit of thing now where people wanna be sat in a toasty bivvy only wearing shorts/t shirt while it's freezing outside 👎 salokcinnodrog, jules007, crusian and 1 other 4 Quote
Golden Paws Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 12 hours ago, jh92 said: I've got 2 hot water bottles in my hold all just incase it gets a bit too cold 👍 seems to be a bit of thing now where people wanna be sat in a toasty bivvy only wearing shorts/t shirt while it's freezing outside 👎 I know what you mean but I made the mistake years ago or "overdressing" in the sleeping bag. If it was cold, I'd wear my base layer full arm length shirt and a jumper and sometimes a fleece and I'd be cold. By wearing the shirt only, the heat you generate is retained by a good 5 season sleeping bag and you are warmer. You have to ensure your coat is easily available to grab if you get a run in the night otherwise you could freeze outside. crusian and salokcinnodrog 2 Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 3 hours ago, Golden Paws said: I know what you mean but I made the mistake years ago or "overdressing" in the sleeping bag. If it was cold, I'd wear my base layer full arm length shirt and a jumper and sometimes a fleece and I'd be cold. By wearing the shirt only, the heat you generate is retained by a good 5 season sleeping bag and you are warmer. You have to ensure your coat is easily available to grab if you get a run in the night otherwise you could freeze outside. I don't know how many times I have been playing a fish trying to get my jacket and boots on at the same time after grabbing the rod. Putting left foot in right boot, and then struggling to get them off to put it right. Humour aside, I have a trip to Essex as his partner is donating his tackle to charity although I know some is not saleable as its so old and well used, it's my second hand bits. Ann-Marie is distraught and my teenage godaughter is wondering about her stepdad. Even worse is I know of another this week in almost identical circumstances. crusian 1 Quote
crusian Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said: I don't know how many times I have been playing a fish trying to get my jacket and boots on at the same time after grabbing the rod. Putting left foot in right boot, and then struggling to get them off to put it right. Humour aside, I have a trip to Essex as his partner is donating his tackle to charity although I know some is not saleable as its so old and well used, it's my second hand bits. Ann-Marie is distraught and my teenage godaughter is wondering about her stepdad. Even worse is I know of another this week in almost identical circumstances. How are you , Nick , all of what's been happening must be effecting you ? . Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 2 hours ago, crusian said: How are you , Nick , all of what's been happening must be effecting you ? . To be honest I'm more upset at the abuse and threats in public and via Messenger I received about my post on FB because I also know the second angler who died in the bivvy and his mates assumed I meant him. Even Ann-Marie got upset about it as she felt the abuse was taking away from her point. At the time of my FB post I didn't know it had happened and found out later that day! crusian and B B 2 Quote
kevtaylor Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 5 hours ago, Golden Paws said: I know what you mean but I made the mistake years ago or "overdressing" in the sleeping bag. If it was cold, I'd wear my base layer full arm length shirt and a jumper and sometimes a fleece and I'd be cold. By wearing the shirt only, the heat you generate is retained by a good 5 season sleeping bag and you are warmer. You have to ensure your coat is easily available to grab if you get a run in the night otherwise you could freeze outside. Never understood this stripping off for bed nonsense at any time of year tbh, I take off the outer layers: coat, salopettes, polar fleece but still fully clothed in case I get a take and have to be on the rods as quickly as possible. As has been said, quality clothing is everything in fishing and worth splashing the cash on. What are these people gonna do, run out in their pants and freeze to death - ridiculous! yonny and welder 2 Quote
Golden Paws Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 I know it sounds stupid that the less you wear, the warmer you are. I'm sure I read it somewhere and tried it and was pleasantly surprised how warm I was. Possibly the extra layers trapping sweat and making you wet and causing your body to cool down as it tries to get rid of it. I've got a pair of gardening clogs at the bivvy exit that are easy to step into and my coat is on my table ready to pick up. kevtaylor 1 Quote
elmoputney Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 Terrible tragedy sorry for your loss, I remember asking about a bivvy heater once and you guys all told me not too. I never have, glad I listened tbh, sadly it happens too often. Hot water bottles, baselayers, a decent meal and some tea and decent sleeping bag. salokcinnodrog, kevtaylor and Golden Paws 3 Quote
kevtaylor Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 16 hours ago, Golden Paws said: I know it sounds stupid that the less you wear, the warmer you are. I'm sure I read it somewhere and tried it and was pleasantly surprised how warm I was. Possibly the extra layers trapping sweat and making you wet and causing your body to cool down as it tries to get rid of it. I've got a pair of gardening clogs at the bivvy exit that are easy to step into and my coat is on my table ready to pick up. That's probably correct, however if you wear clothing to lets say mid layers you then don't need to have a bed cover, or the hottest sleeping bag in the world, and your ready to go. My mate had his Solar SP Tech Bed Cover over the bag in Sept, fella was sweating and wearing not a lot lol - I've never taken mine out of the garage 🤷♂️ Quote
Golden Paws Posted Sunday at 09:37 Report Posted Sunday at 09:37 https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/advice/tips/how-to-keep-warm-in-a-bivvy-safely/ This has not long gone up, possibly after the latest tragedy. Lots of really good advice. elmoputney, salokcinnodrog and crusian 3 Quote
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