jules007 Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 So having made a return to carp fishing i will be using my old budget 11ft 2.5lb rods to start but plan on new rods early next year, looking on ebay i keep seeing a lot of 9ft 2.75lb carp rods, and have to wonder is this a new trend for short rods or are these more like stalking rods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 When I started 9foot was the norm I think jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 32 minutes ago, jules007 said: So having made a return to carp fishing i will be using my old budget 11ft 2.5lb rods to start but plan on new rods early next year, looking on ebay i keep seeing a lot of 9ft 2.75lb carp rods, and have to wonder is this a new trend for short rods or are these more like stalking rods Nash tackle started a trend for shorter rods. Fine for smaller waters but on big lakes where you need big casts... jh92 and jules007 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules007 Posted September 25 Author Report Share Posted September 25 i think Diawa do black widows in 10ft this might be something for me but i have 11ft at moment, maybe i was there first with the shorter rods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InteraX Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 Personally, I'm currently using the Daiwa Crosscast EXT 3.5lb 10ft rods. Previously I was using some Greys Prodigy Plus 2.75lb 12ft rods. They are both through action rods and play fish really nicely. The one big difference I notice between the 2 sets of rods with keeping everything else the same is the casting distance. I've sure I've lost a good percentage of my casting distance. I'm sure I used to be able to hit around 100yds pretty easily with the 12ft rods, but with the 10ft rods, I feel that I'm struggling to hit 80yds. That's the trade off. The big benefit of the shorter rods is that they are much easier to transport. I because the bottom section of the rods are telescopic, the full length of the Crosscasts is less than the width of my car. I can lay them across the back seat rather than having to load them in from the back and thread them between seats etc. This also means I can take them on holiday a lot easier with a full car. If you're happy with the limited range or can use a bait boat or similar with them, the shorter rods would be great, but if you're fishing a larger water and need the casting distance, you'll need the longer rods. Different tools for different jobs and scenarios. yonny and jules007 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelabel Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 Been using these 9' 3" Sharpe's Impregnated cane for years now... to be fair it was Rod Hutchinson who first advocated 12' footers to cast further... the fact remains many manufacturers have jumped on the Nash Dwarf/Scope bandwagon, If you wish to go down the 9' route there are plenty out there, Scopes are hideously expensive, and brittle, I have some Dwarf 9' 2.75lb rods and they are very good. Their main limitation is picking up line at distance... other than that they are brill jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 15 hours ago, jules007 said: is this a new trend for short rods or are these more like stalking rods More like a resurgence of an old trend I think. A set of 9's is a good addition to the collection for those that can afford and/or keep multiple sets. For me, a decent set of 12's (or even 13's) is more versatile as a single set. I personally prefer an extra set of 12's with a softer action as a second set rather than 9s.... more useful for fishing the types of waters I fish. It's only recently I've considered a set of 9s for one particular water I have a ticket for. It's a bit of a maze, overgrown, and requires boat work to land them from several swims. Nine's aint essential, but they'd help. Struggling to justify the spend on a non-essential though. jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 I recently bought a couple of 9ft xtractors and pretty quickly sold them. I used them a couple of times but they just don't feel like a proper fishing rod. I have also used 10ft rods and they didn't seem as unusual. But I think I've come to the conclusion I just like 12ft rods. What I did like was the space they saved and how compact they were packed up. But otherwise a 12 footer is a better all rounder for me. If you are being mobile all the time and stalking lots or for a specific job, then maybe but as an all purpose rod I just think they are a bit limiting. yonny and jules007 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 1 hour ago, elmoputney said: I recently bought a couple of 9ft xtractors and pretty quickly sold them. I used them a couple of times but they just don't feel like a proper fishing rod. I have also used 10ft rods and they didn't seem as unusual. But I think I've come to the conclusion I just like 12ft rods. What I did like was the space they saved and how compact they were packed up. But otherwise a 12 footer is a better all rounder for me. If you are being mobile all the time and stalking lots or for a specific job, then maybe but as an all purpose rod I just think they are a bit limiting. I have a set of 6 footers that all go into a multi mat lol  Higham1987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 1 hour ago, elmoputney said: But otherwise a 12 footer is a better all rounder for me. If you are being mobile all the time and stalking lots or for a specific job, then maybe but as an all purpose rod I just think they are a bit limiting. My floater fishing and stalking rod for years was a 9ft Browning spinning rod, and I found it brilliant. Seems weird as it had no test curve rating, I think it was 30-50grams casting weight, sadly it was stolen. Most of my fishing is on big waters, where long casts may be required and I know that I can cast a lot further with a 12ft than a 10ft rod. In fact I don't think that I have fished a water less than 45acres since 2010, other than occasional day trips to Bromeswell, and there I prefer to use my specialist rods as I'm not going to fish for carp just reaching double figures with 2.75 or 3.25lb rods. Even feeder fishing with a 10ft specialist rod, I am casting shorter than the exact same make in 12ft, although to be fair on the river that's not a problem. jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules007 Posted September 26 Author Report Share Posted September 26 general opinion is in favour of 12ft rods so when im ready i will go 12 and keep my old 11ft rods as i do like them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 4 hours ago, framey said: I have a set of 6 footers that all go into a multi mat lol  I have a 7ft greys stalker rod that will do for the odd occasion I need it, my daughter uses it more than me though these days, I just like having 3 rods out, then I'm happy to sit watching the water, and working out my next move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 24 minutes ago, elmoputney said: I have a 7ft greys stalker rod that will do for the odd occasion I need it, my daughter uses it more than me though these days, I just like having 3 rods out, then I'm happy to sit watching the water, and working out my next move. I really ought to bring my stalking rod with me in the warmer months to see if I can stalk or get the fish up on dog biscuits, instead too frequently I end up behind 3 rods again. I used to take my floater rod to Taverham, Earith and even Brackens for that very reason, picking up a lot of 'bonus' fish during the day and then being busy with the static rods at night. When I moved onto the Nazeing Lagoons I stopped bringing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry211 Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 i use 10ft rods on my local water as its kind of small and they work really well they are a sonic vader x and a rod hutchinson one. i do have a shimano 12ft that is yet to have a run out though but i think i will take that to the river next week to see how i get on with it. i don't fish big open waters so the 10ft seems to meet my needfs. jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules007 Posted September 27 Author Report Share Posted September 27 In an ideal world i would like to upgrade my old 11ft 2.5tc to shiny new 11ft 2.75 or even 3lb and get sexy slim blanks but seems nothing about other than some iffy 3 piece rods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, jules007 said: In an ideal world i would like to upgrade my old 11ft 2.5tc to shiny new 11ft 2.75 or even 3lb and get sexy slim blanks but seems nothing about other than some iffy 3 piece rods https://tacklebox.co.uk/starting-carping/rods-en-2/tackle-box-darent-valley-specimen-rod-11ft-3lb/ Not used them myself but people seem to think these are good value for money. jules007 and salokcinnodrog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules007 Posted September 27 Author Report Share Posted September 27 i did stumble on these after i posted, but gonna wait till early new year and make do with the rods on the go for now elmoputney and salokcinnodrog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules007 Posted October 4 Author Report Share Posted October 4 So yesterday my hooklink snagged bottom when reeling in, lake has a policy of trying to avoid pulling for a break, so another angler had a try on my rod and politely told me of for having rods that are to soft, he went out in the boat and got it free, so i have now ordered a pair of Diawa 12ft 3lb TC like i used to have commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 (edited) On 04/10/2024 at 18:06, jules007 said: So yesterday my hooklink snagged bottom when reeling in, lake has a policy of trying to avoid pulling for a break, so another angler had a try on my rod and politely told me of for having rods that are to soft He’s a div  Edited October 6 by framey salokcinnodrog and commonly 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 Haven't heard that one for ages. Quite right though salokcinnodrog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 On 04/10/2024 at 18:06, jules007 said: So yesterday my hooklink snagged bottom when reeling in, lake has a policy of trying to avoid pulling for a break, so another angler had a try on my rod and politely told me of for having rods that are to soft, he went out in the boat and got it free, so i have now ordered a pair of Diawa 12ft 3lb TC like i used to have Hmm! A 'soft' through action rod can put more pressure on than a high test curve rod. As for pulling for a break or retrieving gear on snagged rigs, I frequently wrap a towel around my hand and pull the line, quite often you can pull it out of the weed without breaking. If it's a snag, then not so easy, although I have pulled in many a branch festooned with rigs and leads with the wrapped towel. Â jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 My last 2 sets of rods have both been 12ft 6in, a mix of casting ability and yet retaining playing action. I've got a pair of 10s which in hindsight are utterly pointless and should be sold as they'll just gather dust. A 6ft may be useful for stalking under a canopy on occasion but in half the videos you see of this type of fishing it looks so dangerous they shouldn't be doing it anyway! 🤬  On 04/10/2024 at 18:06, jules007 said: So yesterday my hooklink snagged bottom when reeling in, lake has a policy of trying to avoid pulling for a break, so another angler had a try on my rod and politely told me of for having rods that are to soft, he went out in the boat and got it free, so i have now ordered a pair of Diawa 12ft 3lb TC like i used to have What difference would stronger rods have made if your stuck on a heavy branch (none), should have told him politely to foxtrot oscar! Some people do talk utter nonsense. How many videos have I watched where they announce themselves to be fishing singles over a light spread. They want to listen back and realise how much of a noddy they sound like, giving off expert vibes! 🤣 salokcinnodrog and jules007 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 3 hours ago, kevtaylor said: I've got a pair of 10s which in hindsight are utterly pointless and should be sold as they'll just gather dust. What are they Kev? jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 43 minutes ago, yonny said: What are they Kev? Wychwood Extricator 3lb I think - Corks jules007, yonny and Higham1987 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules007 Posted October 9 Author Report Share Posted October 9 4 hours ago, kevtaylor said: My last 2 sets of rods have both been 12ft 6in, a mix of casting ability and yet retaining playing action. I've got a pair of 10s which in hindsight are utterly pointless and should be sold as they'll just gather dust. A 6ft may be useful for stalking under a canopy on occasion but in half the videos you see of this type of fishing it looks so dangerous they shouldn't be doing it anyway! 🤬  What difference would stronger rods have made if your stuck on a heavy branch (none), should have told him politely to foxtrot oscar! Some people do talk utter nonsense. How many videos have I watched where they announce themselves to be fishing singles over a light spread. They want to listen back and realise how much of a noddy they sound like, giving off expert vibes! 🤣 TBH im happy i got the Diawa`s my last 12ft 3lb were same rods and they were right nice to use, i did think the old 11 footers were just to old and under gunned, just cheap glass fibre rods, but will still use one of them on the smaller runs lake as fish only run to 15lb in there kevtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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