RH Fisheries Super breed tank

[elmoputney]

Have you seen the future of carp fishing 😱

https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/news/stories/fishery-creates-advanced-fish-tank-to-produce-60lb-carp/

[InteraX]

There's more detail on it here.

Looks interesting if not necessarily the traditional way of doing things.

They're only trying to provide a supply to a demand. They're a business. It's one possible future.

[framey]

Can’t survive on McDonald’s for ever 😉

[commonly]

I saw this a few weeks back. 

He's copied a Koi farmers method of growing them on.

I think I also saw that they recently put a 60 in Monument 1.

A friend was going to join RH but £1500 is a bit steep

[Carpbell3]

Out my price range I'm sure, would be OK if you did a wide verity of angling but if this was your dedicated go to, it would soon kill the mystery, would for me at least.

[framey]

I think the problem with these forced large carp is they don’t last 

he said he thinks big rig died through spawning but the. It was an old fish

at 15…..

didnt some of the leney fish get to around 60 or 70 years old…

if they float your boat then knock yourself out 

not my kind of fish so couldn’t see myself ever fishing those kind of waters.

 

[commonly]

I totally agree @framey their not doing it for the fishes benefit.

Elphics comes to mind and I remember someone on here saying, in those type of venues, it's like fishing for puddle pigs.

Not my bag either

[commonly]

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This fish however, I might be convinced to have a go for😍

[yonny]

8 hours ago, commonly said:

 

This fish however, I might be convinced to have a go for😍

 

That venue (Euro Aqua) is the worst of the lot in terms of "force feeding". The owner drops hundreds of kilos of particles in every day around markers. You get 100kg of particle included in your ticket, and it's not unusual for anglers to put 100kg of hemp PER DAY (!) on their spots to compete with what the owner is doing. It's no wonder the place is full of monsters. Not my bag at all.

[salokcinnodrog]

14 hours ago, commonly said:

I saw this a few weeks back. 

He's copied a Koi farmers method of growing them on.

I think I also saw that they recently put a 60 in Monument 1.

A friend was going to join RH but £1500 is a bit steep

 

11 hours ago, framey said:

I think the problem with these forced large carp is they don’t last 

he said he thinks big rig died through spawning but the. It was an old fish

at 15…..

didnt some of the leney fish get to around 60 or 70 years old…

if they float your boat then knock yourself out 

not my kind of fish so couldn’t see myself ever fishing those kind of waters.

 

 

9 hours ago, commonly said:

I totally agree @framey their not doing it for the fishes benefit.

Elphics comes to mind and I remember someone on here saying, in those type of venues, it's like fishing for puddle pigs.

Not my bag either

 

7 minutes ago, yonny said:

That venue (Euro Aqua) is the worst of the lot in terms of "force feeding". The owner drops hundreds of kilos of particles in every day around markers. You get 100kg of particle included in your ticket, and it's not unusual for anglers to put 100kg of hemp PER DAY (!) on their spots to compete with what the owner is doing. It's no wonder the place is full of monsters. Not my bag at all.

I believe the extreme feeding is why so many of the original Simmos had a short life. They had a high fat and high protein diet. I think some fish made it to 20lb in 2 years!

I know of a few waters with original Simmos that within two years the big stocked fish were dying, yet originals were still going. 

Leney fish reaching 70years?

I'm sure Raspberry in Redmire was an original stocking from 1934, and was caught at the age of 67.

 

These commercial Fisheries are not my bag at all.

I really worry for the fish, but the instant biggest is best attitude has pervaded carp fishing. We see new records, the biggest fish in the headlines, yet we rarely see long life of these high pressure high fed fish, and that is different from 20years ago when Scar and Les Graviers and Rainbow and those fish were record swapping between them.

I'm pretty sure while those lakes are commercial very little feeding happens other than bait.

 

 

[commonly]

I suppose when you put it like that.....

I quite fancy Binghams in Thailand for that big carp red letter trip.

An Aripima would be very welcome.

 

[Carpbell3]

Lucky it's fish, game birds are a similar process they are getting a good look into by all sorts of groups.

[kevtaylor]

18 hours ago, elmoputney said:

Have you seen the future of carp fishing 😱

https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/news/stories/fishery-creates-advanced-fish-tank-to-produce-60lb-carp/

Yeah I saw this cringe material.

Don't like the guy and will never fish his waters anyway, even if they were on my doorstep!

[jules007]

This forced weight gain is just wrong, just a money making venture to put monster carp into lakes to pull the paying angler into trying for them, its not for me, i would take 30lb proper fish any day

[framey]

13 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

Leney fish reaching 70years?

I'm sure Raspberry in Redmire was an original stocking from 1934, and was caught at the age of 67.

 

 

 

Was just reading about a 220 year old koi lol

[salokcinnodrog]

18 hours ago, jules007 said:

This forced weight gain is just wrong, just a money making venture to put monster carp into lakes to pull the paying angler into trying for them, its not for me, i would take 30lb proper fish any day

The amusing thing to me is that my syndicate lake has produced a 50lb common on natural food. Sadly the fish has died, but it was a 1970's stocking. We also have Chestnut who normally comes out around 43lb, and another uncaught big common that I and others have seen and would reckon to be 50lb+, along with a big mirror of over 40lb I think, again, not recently caught.

In addition we have a progressive stocking policy, so from 80ish fish in 45acres we have gone to around 165 (estimate), and the fish are normally stocked in at double figures, although there were five that had to be moved from a quarry lake so permission was gained to put them in, 15lb, 18lb, 23lb, 30lb and 39lb. The 39lb has been caught after spawning at 35lb, both the 18lb and 23lb commons have reached 30lb, the 30lb died after spawning we think and the 15lb is an old male staying around that weight.

Even in the middle of summer, I can fish the lake from Sunday to Friday and not see another angler, and at weekends there might be 2 or 3 on the lake, so not much bait going in.

Cost is less than £500 a year.

I've put pictures up on here of fish I've caught from there, and the past few years growth rates have been phenomenal. One of this year's stock fish going from 11.10 to 21lb, and others have caught fish doing similar rates, then stockings from 3 to 4 years ago hitting 30lb plus.

 

Now obviously you can't just stock in any fish and expect them to be big fish, our syndicate manager has quite literally hand picked 20 carp each year from the supplier.

[whataclonker]

The light is obviously on & burning bright for the masses..

I'd go on a punt & say that a lot of anglers probably don't even think about where they came from or how they were reared - & probably don't even care..

I'd like to think that the more "commercial" type fisheries would likely go for fish like these because they are cheaper & ready to go?

That doesn't make it okay ethically of course.

 

As a side note, I read an article the other day about how intensive carp farming could become a viable food source for humans &/or animal feed in the near future. & I don't imagine that the the fishes wellbeing is going to be taken into such consideration in those circumstances..

So where do we draw the line? 

I guess we should be advocating fish welfare across the board, regardless. 

 

[salokcinnodrog]

4 hours ago, whataclonker said:

The light is obviously on & burning bright for the masses..

I'd go on a punt & say that a lot of anglers probably don't even think about where they came from or how they were reared - & probably don't even care..

I'd like to think that the more "commercial" type fisheries would likely go for fish like these because they are cheaper & ready to go?

That doesn't make it okay ethically of course.

 

As a side note, I read an article the other day about how intensive carp farming could become a viable food source for humans &/or animal feed in the near future. & I don't imagine that the the fishes wellbeing is going to be taken into such consideration in those circumstances..

So where do we draw the line? 

I guess we should be advocating fish welfare across the board, regardless. 

 

The light is on as you say!

There are fish farms already around for fish breeding for food in various countries. In Israel, Jews obviously have to eat kosher, which is freshwater fish, and carp are on the menu. It was imported Israeli carp that brought a batch of KHV to Europe.

In Eastern Europe a lot of laws now in place for the wildwaters and lakes, there is a maximum size that can be taken. Poland, Romania and Hungary I know have fish farms.

China is another country where carp are eaten. Paddy fields planted with rice, stocked with carp and flooded. At harvest time the paddy fields are drained, and carp and rice are harvested.

I've been to restaurants in Germany, the food carp are in the tank, pick your fish for dinner, it's not a display.

 

[whataclonker]

Yes this is true.

The article (I need to try & find it again) was talking about the possibility of expanding a relatively "untapped" food source to a global scale for humans & animals. With the weather, wars, economy etc.. becoming more unpredictable, it could be 1 possible answer to food shortages & famine.

Did you happen to try any carp while you were in Germany? My other half happens to be German. She's also been in these restaurants you speak of although she's never tried it as she's put off by the "earthy taste." 

I've never tried it personally -  A) for the obvious reasons, it just seems wrong & B) I don't like the taste of most fish anyway.

Although, if I was starving, it would likely change my views considerably. 😂

 

 

[salokcinnodrog]

22 hours ago, whataclonker said:

Did you happen to try any carp while you were in Germany? My other half happens to be German. She's also been in these restaurants you speak of although she's never tried it as she's put off by the "earthy taste." 

I've never tried it personally -  A) for the obvious reasons, it just seems wrong & B) I don't like the taste of most fish anyway.

Although, if I was starving, it would likely change my views considerably

I have tried a few fish both in UK and abroad, carp, pike, gudgeon and bleak.

Gudgeon and bleak used to be eaten whole, basically stir fried like whitebait, or in a pie. 

I've never found carp earthy, although that may be because of being 'washed' in water (tank) rather than straight from the capture.

The same with pike, although they are bony, fine needle bones that take a lot of picking out.

It kind of bugs me because obviously we catch and return, but carp were brought over specifically for eating, monk stew ponds possibly even the Romans.

Pike were eaten for years.

Problem with everything is taking from the wild rather than farms or 'overstock'.

 

 

[framey]

14 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said:

 

Problem with everything is taking from the wild rather than farms or 'overstock'.

 

 

Problem is humans rape everything until there’s nothing left. instead of harvesting for need we harvest for greed

[whataclonker]

34 minutes ago, framey said:

Problem is humans rape everything until there’s nothing left. instead of harvesting for need we harvest for greed

I read (but find it hard to imagine) that the UK throws away around 10 million tonnes of food waste per year!!

Edited December 1 by whataclonker

[whataclonker]

Sorry to go off topic a little Elmo. 😂

[elmoputney]

4 hours ago, whataclonker said:

Sorry to go off topic a little Elmo. 😂

Crack on, I've been known to take one or two off topic in my time 😂

[salokcinnodrog]

13 hours ago, whataclonker said:

I read (but find it hard to imagine) that the UK throws away around 10 million tonnes of food waste per year!!

It's from household, production, processing and delivery.

60% is from household though.

In the UK supermarkets at one point were refusing 'misshaped' vegetables, adding to the problem.

13 hours ago, framey said:

Problem is humans rape everything until there’s nothing left. instead of harvesting for need we harvest for greed

Indeed, then we complain we are struggling to feed ourselves. 

Even fly fishing for trout has in many places become a 'catch and release'