newmarket Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 The most beneficial lesson was watching how the chap went about things. He knows the lake and the fish well and where I have been very cautious of creating minimal disturbance. He happily chucked a load of bait in and recast until he was where he wanted to be. But when in his spot the only time his rods came in was because of a fish. Basically he was confident in what he was doing. It was also nice that he confirmed a lot of what I already believed about the layout of the swims. His major advantage / edge is time. He works near by and lives locally so can literally set up fish over night, head to work and then just come back after. In hindsight I could do a similar thing by having my first few sessions a pure swim sussing, as you say get the waders out, use a marker rod. If I'd spent two of my days doing this I would be catching now! Neal , that place being a bit , er , busy so to speak , how often do you get in the same swim ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Newmarket - I've specifically focused on less popular swims to hopefully get in there every time. It has worked so far but I think now that Mr top rod is targeting that area it may get more popular [emoji30] but it is as far from the gate as can be and notorious for weed so it'll never be the most popular area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Has Mr Top Rod ( I HATE that expression nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 if I do end up some where I'm not happy I may take the long view and use it to suss the swim and maybe just tiddler bash in the hope of a tench or perch gracing my net. Geez I too think leading around scares carp but you should still go with the intention of catching them. It only takes one carp to come swimming along 5 mins after you've finished messing about to end up with a fish in the net. I've caught loads of carp very shortly after frothing the water to a foam. As long as the rig is presented there's ALWAYS a chance mate. nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Newmarket - Yeah I don't like it either, he has put the effort in and reaped the rewards, seems like a proper nice chap so deserves the recognition (top rod is what I've said no one else) no not waded the lake, just the shallows. Which is only 2 swims. Edited May 3, 2016 by nealjt newmarket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Yonny - I suppose I mean to try and take a longer view. Yes I'd always have an aim to catch. By that if I'm not happy in the swim I could be proactive and make my confidence better for the next time. Rather than trying to chance a fish with a guessed cast for fear of spooking the swim yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Yonny - I suppose I mean to try and take a longer view. Yes I'd always have an aim to catch. By that if I'm not happy in the swim I could be proactive and make my confidence better for the next time. Rather than trying to chance a fish with a guessed cast for fear of spooking the swim Well you know what I would do :) nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Crusian - yes that's me in the waders [emoji3] I'm pleased to see you brushed your hair Neil . My Wife wants to know if either you or Spr were " probed " by the Aliens ? . nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Well I couldn't comment on spr, but now you mentioning I have been sitting funny...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Hi Neal Going back to Mr Top Rod was he fishing " spots within spots " ( I think this has come up in a post before - looking for a spot within a swim that isn't fished ) that he found from his wading around ? . Does that make sense ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Hi Neal Going back to Mr Top Rod was he fishing " spots within spots " ( I think this has come up in a post before - looking for a spot within a swim that isn't fished ) that he found from his wading around ? . Does that make sense ? . Yes makes total sense and no he was fishing an area in an area [emoji12] crusian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) And now this is my problem with fishing, I know soooo much but I am terrible at putting it into action. What you say about spots and areas makes total sense. But I end up thinking about it so much I do my head in and just cast in and hope for the best. I've 2 lakes I'll be focusing on over the next year or so, bayeswater and a lake local to me. Both totally different, bayeswater is a very good quality lake but it is still a young, man-made day ticket venue, lots of fish but without loads of personality. I like it because it is secure, the rules and availability suit me well. It feels like a club. I'm honing my ability which I enjoy and I'm almost certain when I catch it'll be near on or above a 20 which I'm looking forward too, I may not use scales but I want to catch bigger fish! The other lake is pretty much untouched proper snaggy, full of bream hardly any carp and probably average size is mid teens but they are old, dark and very tricky to catch. Bayeswater probably does have spots in spots, but it is more about finding the right area getting them to feed and presenting a bait they will readily take. (Sounds easy but is above me so far!) The other lake is definitely spots in spots! and those spots are usually in 6 foot of snags! The carp can easily be found but I think only readily feed on quite specific "spots" My problem on both lakes is being confident in what to do. I've filled my head with so much info I think I've lost myself. Was saying to spr on Sunday how I used to fish a club lake and would just cast to the middle with a shop brought rig and what ever bait the mags told me to use, never once thinking about location or what I was fishing over or my baiting tactics and pretty much every session, summer or winter I would catch! If I went there now I bet I'd blank!!! I always enjoy fishing, it is necessary for my mental well being. I thrive on being near the water with the chance of a mystery being discovered. My expeditions to bayeswater feel like an opportunity to start again and learn to fish well Edited May 3, 2016 by nealjt yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Hi Neal What you need is Dumbledores' Pensieve ! . Failing that what Yonny has already said about knowing your swim in intimate detail , but probably above all what Carpmachine has said , K.I.S.S. ( accept he said it much more politely ! ) . Can I be cheeky and ask for a P.M. regarding the whereabouts of your local lake please ? . nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) Pm on its way to you Crusian Edited May 4, 2016 by nealjt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Thanks for the P.M. , Neal . I don't use Taptalk , I'm a WhatsApp man . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Am on bacon duty this morning to earn my fishing allowance... think I went to far when the church goers were waiting for their rolls and I said "be patient, Jesus had to hang around a bit, so can you [emoji12] [emoji12] markspod, cyborx and spr1985 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 When the Aliens come to get you at Bayeswater don't expect any divine intervention Neal , you've blotted your copybook now ! , Spr might just be o.k. ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Didn't you know Jesus was an alien?!? Rose to heaven on a bright light....? Erm alien teleport, obviously! Moses got the ten commandments in one moment straight to his brain... erm alien data download!!! spr1985 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted May 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 When the Aliens come to get you at Bayeswater don't expect any divine intervention Neal , you've blotted your copybook now ! , Spr might just be o.k. ? .Not so sure on that mate, I think my card was marked many years ago lol nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markspod Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I'm missing the regular updates to this thread Have you given up? nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I'm missing the regular updates to this thread Have you given up? Neal's bl , I mean , fishing there tomorrow Mark nealjt, markspod and spr1985 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 The aliens scared us away [emoji13] I think it's just life getting in the way mark, Neal lives a good distance away and I work away a lot, but as Newmarket said Neal is down there over the weekend and I think I'll be there next weekend *fingers crossed* Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk crusian and markspod 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 yup am there tomorrow newmarket, spr1985 and markspod 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Oh yes I have waders ready and plan to get as intimate as I can [emoji15] crusian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Oh dear just found out my favourite swim is taken..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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