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Didn't think we'd score, Forster's been in great form.

Im gutted moanrinho was sack....as Chelsea relegated and underdogs Leicester being crowned champions would of made this season one of the most unforgettably greatest season in my life time....apart from the Hammers winning the treble !!!

Loving the carved out ledge,that would inspire me to catch with that as photo back drop.

feels trippy saying this sort of thing !!!

super Slav wants sliverware over 4th.

If this thread had been about " bate ", I may have been able to help

Messi was asked the other night how it felt to be the best player in the world, he replied he didnt know and they needed to ask Dimitri Payet!!!

My preferred go to pattern is Fox SSBP, but I find they work best with a kicker. I wanted to try a simplify things and all the talk of the krank seemed worth a go, also I used to really like Carp R us off set nailers, I just cant cant them at my local these days. so I got pack of kranks. I wouldn't be put off using kranks if they've been working for you, I think my problems were probably due to needing a few tweaks with the hair but as I didn't want to waste time tweaking or risk losing one next I went back to what Im confident in. I agree hutch, the twisting was most likely during the fight though I don't think the point ever buried down more like due to the offset point it went through like a safety pin, then as it flipped over side to side during the scrap pierced again etc to create the nipple effect.

I used kranks back in june, all my hook holds were the same, twisted flaps of skin. at first my takes were tench so i put it down to hook size (6)but after the same on a 33 and 27 i haven't used them since. they were the strangest holds iv ever had, never landed a fish which i believe i shouldn't of landed due to not being a substantial hold but all of them were , its like the hook lay flat as it took hold and then twisted ....it was almost like nipple.

The lead on these two set ups is suspended between you and the fish on a tight line. On heli set ups its just hanging from the hook link swivel, which can knock the fish much more aggressively. One thing i found when i played about with chods a few years back was that the lead can snag all too easy if the length between bottom bead and lead is more than 3 to 4 inches. I did as you have Gary, with knotting the leader to stop it slipping, but after 45 minutes trying to free the lead with a fish on ,as the lead had wedged in a fork of an under water branch, I felt it better to have the bead slip then cushion on a 2 inch length of tubing coming off the lead.

Its most likely I'm imaging your all situation all wrong, but I'm thinking the bottom isn't likely to be deep silt or chod and a few more casts with any old rig would have cleared the dead stems enough to present a rig. But im with Chill, a solid bag or stick is what I'd do. I cant see one of them not doing the trick , even if you didn't 'rig' your spot clear.

Its hard to see much wrong with your rig. Maybe the situation? how was it cast out?? with pva mesh or in a solid bag, as if the latter then i'd suggest shortening the length so the lead comes to play sooner if picked up, if mesh hooked on, then it will straighten the rig on the cast , providing the cast is feathered down. Did you feed freebies? .....how were they spread??

It may not be anything to do with the rig, it may be down to what is feeding, and it may have not been Carp. I landed a few small Rudd on my last sess,on 15mm bait and size 6 hooks most were foul hooked but two were hooked bang through the bottom lip. how and what were you feeding?? As you dont mention that, and that can effect you getting knocks or not. Also, worth a mention. Your hook isnt damaged is it??

If necessity is the mother of invention for this rig, then i kinda like it....The was time out on the bank where i couldnt get the D back through the eye, so i ended up trapping it under the last turn, it caught fish, just i didnt like how the movement was restricted...... this rig could of solved both. though im not sure i be happy to use the above rig, If the baits blown the full length of the D there may be the chance that as the pivot point changes and the hook lifts, either missing the bite or even weakening the hold has its played??????

the pop up will lift the hook clear of any debris. stiff materials i find hard to get short, so if i wanted to have the pop up low to the deck i'd used coated braid,so the stripped hinge was closer the the eye. this is a good rig for pop ups when you want it to look more like a freebie and less blatant.

RESULT!!! i'd be chuffed too. not everyday a 20 takes the bait.

iv never used "braid scissors" iv just used sharp scissors, held them open and pulled the braid back into them, always a nice clean cut.... at a fraction of the price!!

id only cast that out after i'd done a few tests at home. id worry that the line could cut through the plastic(if line passes over tubing).preferably id just get some ring swivels.

im not 100% sure , but they both(nash/korda) (or just one of them)only drop the lead when you tighten down to the fish and the hook link hits the clip.... i read this since posting but cant remember where any way , if true then i guess the lead would stay on if a fish picked up a cracked off rig, what d'you think??? very small chance i guess the fish would swim towards the lead with the force needed to bump the release mechanism.....not sure as iv not held one in my hand to have a play... but it could actually be safer than pva held leads, weak links ect.....so maybe step forward

i totally agree with you willi. nash are releasing a similar item,though it looks less stream lined. and both are being branded as "safe" ...well it can only be safe if the lines connected to rod and reel, and then yeah i guess loosing the lead makes things slightly safer when playing a fish in and around snags... but its like they ignore the fact that crack offs and breakages happen occasionally.

alrite malc. nice catches... that cat wasnt from the same lake as the carp was it??? im sure i see a few last year, a baby about 12" long and a tail of a 20+ disappearing along the margin on the tramp bank.. but no ones believes me as they hadnt seen any, ...the polish guy showed me a pic of a cat but couldnt understand where he said it came from.

iv use quick change swivels( like in link)for years, not on lead clips though, and never ever had a link slip off, iv used them with anti tangle sleeves or just a few mm of silicon tube , like i said..never had a problem apart from in the middle of the night and trying to get braided loops on i have had links slip out of the key hole shaped ones on a few occasions , maybe something to do with me?? i wasnt sure, but it dented my confidence.

im a running rig user for nearly 99%,occasionally switching to heli set ups if i need more distance. fluoro, line clips,heavy bobbins all help to drive the hook in further but thats all IMO, it just further, i think the force the carp blows the rig out is where the 'hold ' takes place...no matter what lead set you use this always happen before the lead comes in to play....take the chod...slack line,sliding freely between, say 3foot gap on top/bottom bead, if the ejecting of the rig didnt set the hook then how did chod become such a great popular rig on all kinds of different waters??? surely the trickier waters were the carp sit there testing baits youd never get a full blown screaming run on the chod....so i conclude...its the ejection of the hook that plays a more important role that any lead.size or shape. which now leaves the most important bit, the hair, where this leaves the hook and the length will change the way the hook is ejected, bait shape/size means the hair length would need to suit. iv said it before, the KD imo worked ,not because of a turn under the hair but because the knotless was only a few turns,making the ejected bait pull at the eye, if you did a knotless knot up all the way up too or past the bend, on ejection i think it would lift the point clear of any potential hookings so yeah sharpy...sort ya hair out!!

micro swivel or bait screw make the rig so much easier to tie, but i dont think either way effect the effectiveness of the rig...with the exception of weight!

Nige, Have you tried this rig although using a plain standard ring instead of the swivel? I understand that a swivel will give a little bit more weight to balance the pop-up, but I think that a rig ring will still give correct movement along the D-rig section ever since i see niges pic,iv used a swivel and melted the floss...it speeds up 'rigging up' no end, being able to hold the swivel with fat clumsy fingers to slide on the D or shank is so easy,unlike fiddling with a micro ring and needle...never lost a swivel doing this