beanz

i daren't kev i dont buy into the bolt rig...dropping the lead fair enough ,but the need for the weight to hook them for me??? nah! indication is always top of my list for lead set up. the last few iv had out had cut the hair clean off,and the hook hold was solid in bang bottom center, but whether it take holds on ejection or the line tightening im undecided though if it is the latter then why/how would it be bottom center unless the fish swims backwards away from my rods??? the would be more holds in the scissors surely???? so if the length just needs to be just enough for the way the fish is feeding, so on a safe odds side slightly longer has to be better than short???? the reason behind these questions is i got a rapide loader, iv never used solids much before as the 1st few filled by bivvy on the cast and i get on with mesh so much easier. so with my standard 8-9 inch rig it just seem pointless as the baits nearly on the lead anyway ..so while thinking how short i could go, the original question popped into my head. do people have a preferred lead set up when using solids?? it would help if my tongue/fingers could relay whats in my head

i used to believe that having the lead near to the bait was an alien object to the fish and it was best to have it as far away as poss...but now with so many leads being dropped on the hot spots it seems less likely to spook 'em. with lead clips i can see where different rig lengths can help/hinder. my thinking nowadays on runners is that as long as the fish can take up the slack without resistance then the length is almost meaningless. do you think on a running set up thats not on a tight line the length makes a difference???? and if so, why???

it must just be me iv always interpreted bait application/strategy as freebies and location/spots as rig placement.

but this line is misleading...as a hivis pop up i dont think hooks them because they are feeding, it the "what thats" factor and they mouth it,may be with no intention of feeding

what do you mean by that nige..the pattern of bait around hook or pre baiting ....as if you mean where you place your hook bait??...you should make it clearer ... iv had enough on just a single hook baits to think the "baiting" is for the anglers confidence and the bait makers pocket.. a sharp in hook in the right place is 100 times ...make that infinity times how much bait and how you apply it

just read this thread a few times and started to wonder about hook size:idea: forget about the stock levels for a moment...10lbers it seems get tripped more often than the 30s ...guessing that most will use 10-4 hook for all sizes...but the size of mouth differ far more than the next size hook up.. so could it be that we arent using a bigger enough hook for the reason that these bigger fish dont get hooked??...if they are sucking it in then IMO they cant know its a trap...it seem that a lot is wrote about tweaking rigs but all have a standard size hook i remember a link that i think stoogie put up, to a free online mag...that had a really interesting article where the guy had started to use cat fish hooks....it does seem obvious thinking about it that a small hook in a big mouth will have lower chance to hook when being ejected.

i think that knowing why it worked is the hardest thing to actually pin point the real answer...blanking..and all the reasons are logical.

knots..and cause my hook is sharp. the KD has to be the most pointless adaption iv seen on the KK with a limp hair...but it claimed some glory for ken!

last time i took a boat up the soar i see a few scattered about, was back around 99/00 so cant remember where they were apart from the weir at Leicester footclub is and around the country park near mount sorrel . see a few at keadby at the sliding railbridge ( some crazy bridge )just up from the trent...but thats not a river

bet that was quicker than searching dans posts

i found the thread..but only because i remembered that Dan plowmanccfc posted the link...'perfection loop' in the search gave 461 matches http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=53343&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=perfection+loop&start=25

so you cant remember the thread name either??

here ya go..the youtube link..life too short to use the search...unless you can remember the thread name

a mate had about 2 kilos or so in an air dry bag took out the tree and lay them down while re-baiting his rig, for some reason which i cant remember he left them on his bucket and came to my swim, which was no more than 20 yards away, with in 5 minutes we both went back to his and they were gone, no one had been about and could see half mile each way up the path?? found his rig , now un-baited hooked in a bush, never found the bag they had a good old feed the day

one of the korda lads have started to use it with a short boom, im waiting to see when and who claims to have invented that. CHOD BOOM! i called , back in 2010 but it was and is just a stiff hinge. it did allow the curved hooklink to turn 360 when sitting in silk weed.

anti tangle sleeves. these will stop the hook link curling around the lead on the cast....on a running or lead clip set up.

are they iv got a ticket on there,but not been since june.i hadnt heard that. i dont know much about the north numbers , but the mill as a few. i 100% know of 7 then the is a fully thats in forgotten chapters that i never saw and may be another small common that make 9 and that about what iv heard from others there and on net. biggest my mate had at under 33. nice little lake.

main lakes has more than a few :lol:

thats a myth! the rubber grips the hair, so much you dont need a stop.youd need to have drilled an over sized hole and have it rattling on the hair

is it still a members only water??? what are the regulars saying??? it could be down to the digging( has that cured the weed??? ) or the carp are bored of the same thing

iv never been,went once to their old lake...and that was enough for me! but im guessing over the years its changing???, not just a freshly dug mud hole???? if so then there is a good chance that the fish have a few other food sources these days other than just anglers baits...............+ they may be getting clued up

smart idea...not sure i like them though!

iv been doing well on the park lake with this on a running lead. with two baits even after the coots had picked it up i was confident to leave it out still, just a slight tug to straighten it. with the beaked hook i could drag it over chod and it wouldnt hook any of it, or the coots as the hook was to far down...... and two of the takes from the carp had the hair cut off in their teeth.

i dont follow you??? may be someone that HASN'T had a brain tumor removed by a surgeon that just got back from a holiday in Dublin can understand........but i dont. some thing to think about......a lead tied on to the mainline then hooklink tied to the lead, fixed lead.( death rig ) would be fine while its still connected to the rod....its when its NOT connected and left live in the water that it kills Your not following me right I mean a swivel tied to the end of the mainline then a weaker mono link tied to that swivel then the lead tied to the weaker mono. The hook link is still running on the mainline so no need for starky comments lol my death rig comment is just what i said...something to think about, it doesnt relate to your posts. this phrase you used...".It's the only safe way to fish a chod otherwise the lead can never be ejected.." would you care to enlighten me and others as to why you think that??? as i believe , to be as close to safe as can possibly be , the inclusion that the rig may crack off has to to be taken into account. iv only read/heard lead sellers preach the "dump the lead" line and BAH! from the followers................. thats me being sarky

i dont follow you??? may be someone that HASN'T had a brain tumor removed by a surgeon that just got back from a holiday in Dublin can understand........but i dont. some thing to think about......a lead tied on to the mainline then hooklink tied to the lead, fixed lead.( death rig ) would be fine while its still connected to the rod....its when its NOT connected and left live in the water that it kills