Etiquette

[kevtaylor]

52 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

I've got to try and entertain 2 kids on the bank this weekend, god knows what I am going to feed them. 

Good luck Kev at least you have pastries 👍

I was back home by 9.15 pm, lap of 2 lakes, swims I wanted gone, could have stayed and fitted in but thought better of it, going Bluebell Sunday anyway.  Wrong attitude but bit fed up with members from other lakes being allowed to fish ours coz theirs is flooded.

I can see why a mate fishes a nature reserve with 5 fish in it now, seems crazy but its you verses them nobody treading on your toes 🤷‍♂️

[elmoputney]

10 hours ago, kevtaylor said:

I was back home by 9.15 pm, lap of 2 lakes, swims I wanted gone, could have stayed and fitted in but thought better of it, going Bluebell Sunday anyway.  Wrong attitude but bit fed up with members from other lakes being allowed to fish ours coz theirs is flooded.

I can see why a mate fishes a nature reserve with 5 fish in it now, seems crazy but its you verses them nobody treading on your toes 🤷‍♂️

I feel the same about winter tickets. You get something going the normal anglers are fading a bit then they all turn up and start taking over like they own the place. 

[salokcinnodrog]

10 hours ago, kevtaylor said:

I was back home by 9.15 pm, lap of 2 lakes, swims I wanted gone, could have stayed and fitted in but thought better of it, going Bluebell Sunday anyway.  Wrong attitude but bit fed up with members from other lakes being allowed to fish ours coz theirs is flooded.

I can see why a mate fishes a nature reserve with 5 fish in it now, seems crazy but its you verses them nobody treading on your toes 🤷‍♂️

We have a problem in that 1 member was the membership 'secretary' for two syndicates, and one of them has a April to June close season. The secretary would 'recommend' members to this syndicate from the other so they would be members of both, but only fish here during the others close season. 

32 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

I feel the same about winter tickets. You get something going the normal anglers are fading a bit then they all turn up and start taking over like they own the place. 

That then creates @elmoputney 's problem and freshly cut, prepared or baited swims are suddenly taken by people who only fish the lake for 3 months without doing any work themselves. 

I was gutted this year to cut and dig out a new swim, keeping it in keeping with the rest of the lake, prebaited it, gotten fish feeding and then finding someone else fishing it and catching one of the fish I was after. His publicised 'campaign' for a bait company was actually fish for 2nights where someone else had been baiting and dive in when they had gone, not as it was published.

It's not the first time it has happened to me or another couple of mates on the lake.

It's these other syndicate members who don't do any work themselves who wind me up.

[kevtaylor]

1 hour ago, elmoputney said:

I feel the same about winter tickets. You get something going the normal anglers are fading a bit then they all turn up and start taking over like they own the place. 

So far my plans have gone totally the wrong way, trying to complete a side job through March - April with fishing in May at the forefront of my mind, it's turned out I should have fished then and put the job off till May - June with the hot-still weather and now new members and other lake members on top it feels like a bit of a disaster at such an early stage.

Really think the bulk of my syndi fishing has to be Sept - April, hardcore through early spring when it's nice and quiet.

This place is busy May until whenever the weed gets up lol

Edited yesterday at 08:36 by kevtaylor

[framey]

6 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

We have a problem in that 1 member was the membership 'secretary' for two syndicates, and one of them has a April to June close season. The secretary would 'recommend' members to this syndicate from the other so they would be members of both, but only fish here during the others close season. 

That then creates @elmoputney 's problem and freshly cut, prepared or baited swims are suddenly taken by people who only fish the lake for 3 months without doing any work themselves. 

I was gutted this year to cut and dig out a new swim, keeping it in keeping with the rest of the lake, prebaited it, gotten fish feeding and then finding someone else fishing it and catching one of the fish I was after. His publicised 'campaign' for a bait company was actually fish for 2nights where someone else had been baiting and dive in when they had gone, not as it was published.

It's not the first time it has happened to me or another couple of mates on the lake.

It's these other syndicate members who don't do any work themselves who wind me up.

 

if an angler who only fishes once or twice a month as that’s all his time allows turns up at a lake and proceeds to do what the “stars” say and finds the fish how is he doing anything wrong he doesn’t know anyone has baited that area.

if you have baited an area and the fish are on it that’s not really his fault.

unless he’s in with the clique which most of these type of anglers are not he will never know

on a club water it’s “lottery fishing”

trying to get anything going you have to pray no one is in there when you come back.

 

[yonny]

2 minutes ago, framey said:

trying to get anything going you have to pray no one is in there when you come back.

Agree. Pre-baiting is a thing of the past on many waters nowadays. Certainly on busier ones.

[framey]

Following. On from the other thread 

imagine if you will 3 acre swim with 32 swims 

angler1 

has been baiting say 3 swims 

angler 2 has been baiting 3 

 

angler 3 turns up and does the walk and finds fish crashing about in a swim so sets up and fishes the area 

 

angler 2 turns up and says I’ve been baiting that swim for a month 

what does angler 3 do ??
does he leave or does he stay ?
 

let’s just say he decides to leave and goes and finds a fish elsewhere 

so resets up and starts fishing 

angler 1 comes up and says 

I’ve got something going in this swim mate 

what would he do then ??
 

When does etiquette stop and mickey taking start?
 

 

[framey]

3 minutes ago, yonny said:

Agree. Pre-baiting is a thing of the past on many waters nowadays. Certainly on busier ones.

Do you really wanna waste money throwing your bait on top of some one else’s stuff ??
best sticking to zigs or chucking singles around me thinks.

[salokcinnodrog]

3 hours ago, framey said:

 

if an angler who only fishes once or twice a month as that’s all his time allows turns up at a lake and proceeds to do what the “stars” say and finds the fish how is he doing anything wrong he doesn’t know anyone has baited that area.

if you have baited an area and the fish are on it that’s not really his fault.

unless he’s in with the clique which most of these type of anglers are not he will never know

on a club water it’s “lottery fishing”

trying to get anything going you have to pray no one is in there when you come back.

 

These anglers from the other syndicate do go on where 'full-time' syndicate members are fishing, on the back of their results or work. This particular angler has not fished 'here' since last June when the other syndicate reopened after their close season. There are around 6 or 7 who only fish here between April and June.

It's created a bit of antagonism, not just for me, but others besides.

If it was an angler who fishes once or twice a month only on this lake I would not be so narked! 

[salokcinnodrog]

@framey sorry, I've got to laugh as I know what you mean, and I might bring those posts over away from where they are.

There are around 5 of us baiting swims, and we each leave the others swims alone, won't fish them. 

From one swim, one guy has had 4 fish, a 30lb common and 3 20lb mirrors, although it is close to where the fish were spawning the other week, so it might not just be bait holding them there as the easterly winds were also pushing towards the deeper water. 

I created and baited a swim, up to my chest clearing reeds and rushes, in a spot that no-one up to that point could fish. If I see or saw fish elsewhere I would set up on them, however as I hadn't I kept going to the same swim.

Another chap has baited a spot halfway along the rushes which is only accessible from one swim, and it's not straight out in front of the swim. 

Dave fished his spot last night, and it was me and him who actually cleared it together last year. I told him where I had had fish, and he's kept it clear since. I actually left my rake under the boat for him.

 

3 hours ago, framey said:

Following. On from the other thread 

imagine if you will 3 acre swim with 32 swims 

angler1 

has been baiting say 3 swims 

angler 2 has been baiting 3 

 

angler 3 turns up and does the walk and finds fish crashing about in a swim so sets up and fishes the area 

 

angler 2 turns up and says I’ve been baiting that swim for a month 

what does angler 3 do ??
does he leave or does he stay ?
 

let’s just say he decides to leave and goes and finds a fish elsewhere 

so resets up and starts fishing 

angler 1 comes up and says 

I’ve got something going in this swim mate 

what would he do then ??
 

When does etiquette stop and mickey taking start.
 

 

The majority of us on the syndicate will leave each other's spots alone, although other (single) syndicate members who fish infrequently we have no objection to someone else doing the do if they see fish there.

I think etiquette is totally different to different lakes or syndicates. 

If angler 3 sees fish in a spot under the non-regular single syndicate member scenario, then the other two anglers should bite their tongues and keep quiet about it. If he genuinely does not know about the baiting he is going on his fish spotting and location, not their efforts.

 

On Alton if someone fished where I had baited up, tough, it's 475acres, I can go find somewhere else to fish. Absolutely not much point really in regular baiting up on there as it's so large. And you definitely had swim jumpers going on other people's results.

 

[Carpbell3]

I turn up at the lake and p8ck a empty peg had it year before last, chap arrived mid sessions told me about his landscaping he had done in the peg then wobbled off in a huff, the whole lake was thick with pond weed  all of three fishable swims until the wind changed blowing all the floating weed back my side, I was fishing a deep water winter peg and having large bream plus one carp.

[Carpbell3]

I had already found the artificial feeding bowl he dug in the margins, didn't fancy it much more a rocky trench than a slick feeding bowl type dip, they are a lot more subtle than you could dig with a shovel he had gone way too deep. 

[greekskii]

All of these stories are why I like to go where it’s quiet and I can do my own thing! Of late I have been pushed to fish busier waters due to lack of time but it’s done me in. I’d rather blank on a harder and quieter lake than put up with all that comes with busier waters! 
 

Had one matey turn up as I was setting up, saying how he had hoped to get in his favourite swim that I was in for the weekend. He lingered about until he realised I wasn’t going to give it up! He set up next door and watched me catch within 20mins. He was in a huff before he left my swim so can imagine he lost his head in the swim next door! 

[salokcinnodrog]

2 hours ago, greekskii said:

All of these stories are why I like to go where it’s quiet and I can do my own thing! Of late I have been pushed to fish busier waters due to lack of time but it’s done me in. I’d rather blank on a harder and quieter lake than put up with all that comes with busier waters! 
 

Had one matey turn up as I was setting up, saying how he had hoped to get in his favourite swim that I was in for the weekend. He lingered about until he realised I wasn’t going to give it up! He set up next door and watched me catch within 20mins. He was in a huff before he left my swim so can imagine he lost his head in the swim next door! 

The thing is the syndicate is normally very quiet, except between April and June, I can see no-one else in a week, with even no-one turning up on a Friday or Saturday.

Nazeing Meads was busy compared to this lake, and even though Nazeing was season tickets there were less problems than the current 3month issue.

On one trip I had walked round the whole 60 acres before seeing fish in Pylons, so set up in there. As I finished setting up the bailiff turned up, to fish and check tickets, and during conversation admitted he had been baiting up where I had seen fish, so I offered to move, he declined the offer and told me to stay put as I wasn't aware of his baiting. He even asked if I would mind him setting up next swim along, which despite being around 20metres away faced away at about 45⁰ so only just onto the end of the same gravel bar. No problem. We both caught, I think he had a couple of 20's and I had just the 1 fish at 32lb.

[Carpbell3]

A bait tester on a previous water used to go way too much on the pre baiting, never seen it myself but the guy worked for one of the big bait companies, he would put massive amounts into the lake,  talking huge amounts into whatever swim he had fished never bothered me as i was doing fresh bait in small amounts, didn't see much point in hoofing loads of bait out.

[bluelabel]

All of the above is why I quit the circus of syndi waters and concentrated on my club waters... , that said, even one of my clubs has waters where there is an air of entitlement about swims and baiting... I've turned up as one guy was packing up after his 48 hrs was up and he told me his mate is coming in after him so I couldn't have the swim... totally out of order... had a word with a committee member but it still goes on...🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Sick of it really... the attitudes of some carpers leaves a lot to be desired...👎😒