kevtaylor Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Can anyone recommend barbless hooks that stay in well? I'm starting on a very weedy lake with a barbless rule. Lost a fish in heavy weed on sunday morning 1st overnighter and I feel like I need a pretty special hook for this situation, the stakes are high and I may well need to slackened off to get the fish moving again, so I want a beak point or better if such a hook exists. I'm going down the bottom bait route, so a curve shank or wide gape style hook that I can fish blowback with a ring or silicon. Sized 4 Any recommendations welcome - thanks 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, kevtaylor said: Can anyone recommend barbless hooks that stay in well? I'm starting on a very weedy lake with a barbless rule. Lost a fish in heavy weed on sunday morning 1st overnighter and I feel like I need a pretty special hook for this situation, the stakes are high and I may well need to slackened off to get the fish moving again, so I want a beak point or better if such a hook exists. I'm going down the bottom bait route, so a curve shank or wide gape style hook that I can fish blowback with a ring or silicon. Sized 4 Any recommendations welcome - thanks 👍 What about the Pallatrax Grips ? https://www.pallatrax.co.uk/our-products/gripz-hooks/ I remember someone on here, but no review/reply i dont think ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, Highy said: What about the Pallatrax Grips ? https://www.pallatrax.co.uk/our-products/gripz-hooks/ I remember someone on here, but no review/reply i dont think ?? Think it was @smufter in France ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted September 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Highy said: What about the Pallatrax Grips ? https://www.pallatrax.co.uk/our-products/gripz-hooks/ I remember someone on here, but no review/reply i dont think ?? Great thanks I'm just looking at these. Would be good to get some opinions from anyone who's used them. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) I used them in France and they are great. The only reason I don't continue using them over here is that "my" syndicate is micro barbed only, they don't allow barbless. I had no problems with them at all. I tried the wide gape version initially but preferred the straight points if I'm honest. They are a good size too.... not too big. The size 4's are perfect. They are very sharp too, straight out of the pkt. And they stayed sharp... https://www.pallatrax.co.uk/product/gripz-straight-point-hooks/ Edited September 11, 2019 by smufter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted September 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, smufter said: I used them in France and they are great. The only reason I don't continue using them over here is that "my" syndicate is micro barbed only, they don't allow barbless. I had no problems with them at all. I tried the wide gape version initially but preferred the straight points if I'm honest. They are a good size too.... not too big. The size 4's are perfect. They are very sharp too, straight out of the pkt. And they stayed sharp... https://www.pallatrax.co.uk/product/gripz-straight-point-hooks/ Thanks smufter that's brilliant - looks like I'll be giving them a go. I'd probably choose the beaked point over straight - any thoughts on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, kevtaylor said: Thanks smufter that's brilliant - looks like I'll be giving them a go. I'd probably choose the beaked point over straight - any thoughts on that? Personal preference I guess. I just don't like beaked points.... 😉 kevtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmcee Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Any hook pattern with a beaked point if you think you may have to slacken off, but then that still doesn't guarantee the hook won't get spat. My current lake is barbless. I had a fish last year and I went to unhook it in the net. Absolutely buried, I couldn't remove the hook no matter what. Went to get my forceps and returned to the net to find said hook and rig lying in the bottom of the net. I think what you need is to somehow shed the bait on s run as that's how I believe the fish rid the hook itself. By sucking and blowing the baited hair in and out of somehow dislodged the hook. Hook was a korda krank by the way. kevtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted September 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 42 minutes ago, emmcee said: Any hook pattern with a beaked point if you think you may have to slacken off, but then that still doesn't guarantee the hook won't get spat. My current lake is barbless. I had a fish last year and I went to unhook it in the net. Absolutely buried, I couldn't remove the hook no matter what. Went to get my forceps and returned to the net to find said hook and rig lying in the bottom of the net. I think what you need is to somehow shed the bait on s run as that's how I believe the fish rid the hook itself. By sucking and blowing the baited hair in and out of somehow dislodged the hook. Hook was a korda krank by the way. Cheers mate - the bait comes off on the take no probs (premier), I'd say the hook hold was probably good, the line went eventually - not good. If the management had bought me the boat when I requested it, I wouldnt be asking the question but I obviously cannot rely on them so may well have to slacken off as part of the process. Thanks for the info - I'm looking at wide gapes with maximum beak - I'm told Fox are good, not tried Kranks yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Nash Pinpoint Claw on all rigs for me... kevtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 A curve usually stays in when fishing with barbless I have found kevtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmcee Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 hours ago, kevtaylor said: Cheers mate - the bait comes off on the take no probs (premier), I'd say the hook hold was probably good, the line went eventually - not good. If the management had bought me the boat when I requested it, I wouldnt be asking the question but I obviously cannot rely on them so may well have to slacken off as part of the process. Thanks for the info - I'm looking at wide gapes with maximum beak - I'm told Fox are good, not tried Kranks yet. I've used the fox armour point range. They are good hooks and very sharp. Only beaked point one i used was the chod type hook from that range. All the rest I used were straight points but all very good hooks. Regarding the kranks, size 4 or 2's . Don't go any smaller, apparently they bend out. Never had this problem with the size 4's though. kevtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welder Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 12 hours ago, smufter said: I used them in France and they are great. The only reason I don't continue using them over here is that "my" syndicate is micro barbed only, they don't allow barbless. I had no problems with them at all. I tried the wide gape version initially but preferred the straight points if I'm honest. They are a good size too.... not too big. The size 4's are perfect. They are very sharp too, straight out of the pkt. And they stayed sharp... https://www.pallatrax.co.uk/product/gripz-straight-point-hooks/ I, too, used these in France. Never lost a fish yet almost all hookholds were released in the net. As stated, these are SHARP hooks! I used the straight points in size 4 and they were ideal. I'd add that I've just had a long weekend on Horseshoe Lake, the Carp Society's headquarters, using the same hooks. I blanked but one of my fishing buddies had a PB mirror using identical hooks in a very weedy water. I'd be happy to commend the hooks to anyone. Ian. commonly and kevtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted September 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 Thanks everyone - lots of food for thought - appreciated 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Have you looked at the ESP Cryogen range , Kev. ? , maybe a Grip Rigger if the ESP blurb is to be believed . I'm not fishing a weedy lake at the moment , so unfortunately I can't give a personal recommendation . 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted September 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 14 hours ago, crusian said: Have you looked at the ESP Cryogen range , Kev. ? , maybe a Grip Rigger if the ESP blurb is to be believed . I'm not fishing a weedy lake at the moment , so unfortunately I can't give a personal recommendation . 😃 I've got some Cryogen's mate but not in the barbless, will have a look at the range again. Made my first rigs with the Pallatrax Grips last night, very happy with them, the beak is very beaked lol and sharp. What I would say is that my size 4's are more like a 6 from other brands, if I'm happy with them I will buy the 2's next time. Buzzing to get started! commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 hours ago, kevtaylor said: I've got some Cryogen's mate but not in the barbless, will have a look at the range again. Made my first rigs with the Pallatrax Grips last night, very happy with them, the beak is very beaked lol and sharp. What I would say is that my size 4's are more like a 6 from other brands, if I'm happy with them I will buy the 2's next time. Buzzing to get started! Can you post a review of the Pallatrax Grips please Kev. ; IMO it would be good to have a review of beaked points to go along with Welders and Smufter reviews of straight points . 😀 ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted September 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, crusian said: Can you post a review of the Pallatrax Grips please Kev. ; IMO it would be good to have a review of beaked points to go along with Welders and Smufter reviews of straight points . 😀 Yeah sure, hopefully I'll have some feedback pretty soon 👍 crusian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted September 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Hopefully these pics will turn out - Gripz size 4 - smaller than others, but very curved in the point. commonly, crusian and ... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kevtaylor Posted September 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) First trip out with the Gripz beak points: Unfortunately no weed to contend with on this trip so the interesting part wasn't tried, however six takes six landed, no slippage or damage caused, 3 fish on a single hook, before changed. The successful rig was the KD with a wafter hookbait taking 5 of the fish, the relevance of this I'm not sure of because those 5 came from the left side of the baited spot for whatever reason. All good so far, the trail continues... Edited September 26, 2019 by kevtaylor crusian, snowmanstevo and yonny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, kevtaylor said: six takes six landed From the water we discussed????😮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted September 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, yonny said: From the water we discussed????😮 Unfortunately not - PM sent lol yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, kevtaylor said: First trip out with the Gripz beak points: Unfortunately no weed to contend with on this trip so the interesting part wasn't tried, however six takes six landed, no slippage or damage caused, 3 fish on a single hook, before changed. The successful rig was the KD with a wafter hookbait taking 5 of the fish, the relevance of this I'm not sure of because those 5 came from the left side of the baited spot for whatever reason. All good so far, the trail continues... Thanks very much , Kev. Here's to your continuing success , and next report . 😀 kevtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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