bully32 Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 what is the best way to tie leadcore leader to youre main line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonezy Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 needle knot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash_gadgeteer Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Loop to Loop, this enables to change the leader quickly if damaged and is a very good knot, the line always breaks first not the knot.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binfield Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Spliced to the mainline. No knots to obstruct end tackle ie, lead clips, beads. needle knot could stop these coming free so could the loop to loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 dont use the awfull stuff in the first place tbh. I am on a phone so it is a nightmare to search but if you search you will find loads of info and loads of reasons not to use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binfield Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Education not condemnation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimysime Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 As stated earlier mate either loop to loop, or spliced, it's up to you , both are equally as good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules007 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 dont go near it! https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=40970&highlight=leadcore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jquery Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 dont go near it! https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=40970&highlight=leadcore Leadcore is just as safe as any other leader (Whether it be mono, tubing etc) IF used correctly and responsibly - But that's for another topic I tend to use a loop to loop knot for my leaders, makes for easier changing if needed and it's a good strong knot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemsue5 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 It most definately isnt as safe as any other leader. Best knot is the moores knot or a needle knot as far smaller and neater than a loop to loop. Best to use it with a helicopter or running lead rig as far safer than a leadclip. The loop to loop knot is the easiest to use and does make it easier to change leaders but i dont like it due to it being harder for beads etc to pass over it and for the loops to have a tendancy to clog up with silk weed etc making it even harder to eject rig components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrond78 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Hello to all.. Look i no there is alot of differant views on leadcore but if used properly with a hlicopter rig there is no safer leader to use its differant horses for corses its more down to schooling on how to use the stuff trust me some of the lead clip set ups iv sin are herendouse!!! and other leaders etc its down to the angler to make his or hers rigs and leaders safe and tie them properly! how many people use hook lengths in a higher breaking strain than there reel line??? as i say learn properly before use... And yes the needle knot is best for attachment. use in helicopter form with rubber beeds and large eyed swivels then everthing can pass over the end if ever there was a problem hope this helps... tight lines... be lucky... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binfield Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 A lot of people keep mentioning the needle knot. Have you tried the needle knot, do you know what it was originally used for.?. I would never use this knot or any other for attaching leadcore to mainline.It can and will prevent beads and clips from coming off the leader.The line should be spliced onto the leader so if your line does break there is a clear end for tackle to be safley ejected. Any knot in any line will weaken it so increasing your chances of a break.Also a line of no less than 15lb should be used with leadcore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Education not condemnation. advising people not to use it is education is it not. the stuff is awfull even when used "correctly" in mine and a lot of other people opinions and evidence, you do not need to use it so why risk it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binfield Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Advising people not to use leadcore is not education. Instructing in its correct use is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy52 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 here we go again leadcore argument no4 guys lets face it, its all been said in other threads bully32 use the search button please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Advising people not to use leadcore is not education. Instructing in its correct use is.IF there is a correct use then maybe, but in all honesty there is no correct use, only dangerous. https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=40970&highlight=leadcore https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=39794&highlight=leadcore https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=44156&highlight=leadcore https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=40711&highlight=leadcore i wont lock this because it will look like i am being petty trying to win an agument the fact is leadcore is dangerous whichever way it is used and therefore not worth using Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bully32 Posted April 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Sorry did not realise there is so much bad feeling about the stuff what would be better for a leader in stead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binfield Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 If i where you i would stick to mainline right through to the hook length. Unless there is a reason you need to use leadcore apart from "All the names anglers use it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules007 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Advising people not to use leadcore is not education. Instructing in its correct use is.IF there is a correct use then maybe, but in all honesty there is no correct use, only dangerous. https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=40970&highlight=leadcore https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=39794&highlight=leadcore https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=44156&highlight=leadcore https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=40711&highlight=leadcore i wont lock this because it will look like i am being petty trying to win an agument the fact is leadcore is dangerous whichever way it is used and therefore not worth using i thought about locking this and decided not to for the same reason, the way i see it , the only reason for using leadcore is the chod rig, and thats just because a few names use it, so whats wrong with the hinged stiff link for pop ups, no leadcore and very similar presentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigewoodcock Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Sorry did not realise there is so much bad feeling about the stuff what would be better for a leader in stead. What do you feel the reasons are that you require one? That is a better question to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bully32 Posted April 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 the lake that I'm fishing is full of weed already fished it today when you got your kit in you got about 10lb of weed with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binfield Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 i thought about locking this and decided not to for the same reason, the way i see it , the only reason for using leadcore is the chod rig, and thats just because a few names use it, so whats wrong with the hinged stiff link for pop ups, no leadcore and very similar presentation. My reason for using it is large beds of mucles in the lake i fish.If i'm fishing another venue then i use a 20lb flouro leader if i need to use a choddy. Bully32. If your venue is weedy then leadcore is the last thing you should be using.For a start it won't do the job its designed for and thats sitting flat on the bed of the lake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zander1 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 4 turn grinner to a self spliced loop does the trick extremely well in my eyes, no big bulky knots or gluing required- hassle free and as safe as leadcore gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanz Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 i dont think anything else works on the chod except leadcore, you can use a fluoro leader but then you end up weighting down the pop-up...............which then stops the pop-up floating up the line, changing the mechanics of it,for which it is used for in the 1st place. heli/chod set up is the only way i think is safest (note safest not safe) jem....i cant see how a running rig set up is any different to a leadclip...the link is still attached to the leadcore,meaning a break would still leave the fish trailing the leadcore........unlike the heli,where if the bead can pass freely then it should slip off the leader at some point leaving only the hooklink in the fishes mouth. now take snagging up out of the conversation ,the is still the fiction factor of it rubbing on the flanks...but this isnt as bad as what they do to themselves during spawning,not that that matters what they do to them self only what anglers do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poleaxe21 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Needle knot for mainline connection. Leave long tag end in mainline (shorter tag end will be stiffer and can trap components). Only ever use in a rotary set up. No need for a top bead (fix ring desired length from lead with PVA tape for the cast). No leader should ever be used with a leadclip, inline, or running set-up. I.E. no leader should ever be used whereby the hooklink is attached directly to the leader via a knot. In the event of a breakage (of mainline or leader) the hooklink should be able to pass off completly. Also, prior to tying a leadcore leader it should be pre-stretched. This lowers the diameter of the leadcore making in less obtrusive, and easier for the hooklink to pass over it. Also, once leader is stretched, hold it underwater and sqeeze between your fingers to remove any air from within the fibres. I've seen leadcore condemed all too often. Carp safety is a matter of opinion and of fishing style. Snag fishing with leadcore if often condemed. I often use leadcore leaders when snag fishing. The train of thought being a landed fish is safer than a lost one. I've fished a lot of waters with highly abrasive snags and leadcore results in more fish on the bank. Simples. I also set up the lead with either a "choppa droppa" style set up, whereby the lead is lost on the take, or a "rotten bottom" wherbey the lead is lost if snagged (which depends on the amount of weed / snags in the vicinity of the swim). This means there is less for the rig to snag up on, and generally means the carp surfaces early on in the fight, thus lessening the chances of loss to snagging / weed. I will use leadcore with a drop off inline set-up when PVA bag (solid) fishing, but then i only use approx 6" of leadcore, for quick attachement purposes. The common argument that leadcore can kink and thus mean components cannot pass over it is rediculous. Any amount of tension on said kinked leadcore would instantly straighten it back out again. I don't buy into this! Leadcore is far from being the be all and end all. But it does have it place. As does everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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