i have quoted what ouch wrote, the truth is there yet you still argue, like always, you ALWAYS go out of your way to cause an argument, have done since you came onto this forum. either you really have no idea what your talking about and just wanna jump on the bandwagon? or you really dont care about the welfare of the fish? ouch has quoted exactly what these rigs can do so either disbelieve the post (the one you have been asking for) and carry on, or read it take it in and maybe just once think you might be wrong and might have been taught a valuble lesson about a damaging rig? the choice is yours really.