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On 24/01/2023 at 14:27, Carpbell3 said:
Just looking at the trop mix at BAF think they have changed the mix as they are using NOR 70 fishmeal and CPSP 90 the original was LT90 and CPSP 90 so if you want the original you will need to make it up yourself.
From looking at the ing spec. there doesnt appear to be much difference other than the NOR 70 seems a touch more soluble so would probably require slightly less CSCP 90 in the mix, so i dont think it would make a great deal of difference to the attractivness of the mix
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Wouldnt be pricking then you could end up with a pot of bright bottom baits, pricking them will cause them to take on water faster hence making them heavy, you looking at doing multi liquid combinations with them ? , just add your required liquids to a pot and let them soak in, be careful not to over do it as heavy liquids can also cause an undesired effect
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40 minutes ago, newmarket said:
Or just buy a couple of tubs of pop ups and save all the aggravation
Depends on your interests within our great past time mate, some people have no interest in bait and how it works so if your that way then the above is a good solution, but some people like to know why certain things attarct carp and then create there own bait around what they have learnt
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9 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said:
Don't forget you can reuse corkballs. Once the bait has come off, save and dry.
And the tool in question in this thread is designed for making cork ball pop ups, so the OP might benefit from by a small rolling table (like the gardener ones) for rolling cork dust baits
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On 27/09/2022 at 09:17, caller44 said:
Hi guys,
Hoping for some help.
I have been making a mix to create cork granule pop ups however, for the life of me i cannot get the mix to dry enough to be used in the CCmoore cork ball roller. when making the 16mm baits they dont form and just split within the bait maker, as though its too wet.
i am only using 10ml of liquid into a 1 egg mix and using the specific hard hook bait mix from ccmoore.
please see recipe below:
40g of flavoured powder
45G of hard hook bait mix
15g of cork dust
10ml of liquid
1 egg
paste mix sealed into a bag for 30 mins
Am i doing something wrong? All help is greatly appreciated.
Whats the flavoured powder in question at guess its something from the body builder market so whey based ?
The CC Moore Hard hookbait mix looks like its designed to be used straight out of the tub to make up hookbaits so depending on what the above is based on might be causing issues with the binding elelements
Cant see it being the liquids but what are the liquids in question hydro's/oil/flavour some especially hydro's can be quite thirsty so if your just using 1 egg to 100g depending on egg size might also be an issue.
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2 hours ago, Carpbell_ll said:
i have a plum flavour i will use, also have JB's TM1 which is a strangwe flavour used it last year the carp where looking for it, that was in a milk base mix though so not sure it will go in a fishmael bait?
They will both work, cream based flavours can work really well in a fishmeal, Im sure JB doesnt recommend mixing TM1 with other flavours due to its complex make up, my preference is low level (1ml/1.5ml per kilo) of both these in a fishmeal food bait.
1 hour ago, elmoputney said:Have you tried super boost its like liquid marmite, I like soaking my baits in that and liver hydro it's a strong combo
Yes, I use it in conjunction with Nut Hydro and Special K in my particles
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Doesnt have to be used with a fruit flavour, the beauty of making your own bait is it can contain whatever you want it to, I have used it with S&O with plum and Liver/Special K hydro combo for last 3 seasons plus
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On 19/04/2022 at 10:02, Carpbell_ll said:
that's the bit that always got me confused i thought the pop up mix was something you could add to a basemix at say 40 % to make pop ups. i guess it's how mainline and others make their for sale pop ups? with the polaris type mix?
Nope, but doing that might give you some decent wafters, for pop ups just use the pop up mix of your choice.
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Never used the Mainline Flavours, but i would glass test one of them as the colour is coming from the flavour it will likely wash out when in the water so that lovely pale washed out pink may not stay that way for very long.
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So as far as I am aware carp can not detect oils they have no receptors for it, what they can detect is the lipids and any micro nutrients that are dispersed into the water as the oil rises off what ever its attached to.
Which oil is best ?, well can depend on the time of year when the water is colder i would stay away from fish oils as the congeal in the cold water and will leave a fatty residue all over what you have coated or soaked in them, best test is take your oil of choice and put a little bit in the fridge and see what happens to it. I have also listened to something recently that suggest it doesnt really what which oil you choose as they all have a good lipid content and its the other things oil can bring like being a converyor for other items that you have mixed it with like lifting particles into the water column. You dont need to pay carp tax for a good oil, the supermarkets crry plenty Good Hemp Oil and Toasted Seasame Seed Oil are 2 that I use.
Some of the other liquids are Hydroylsates and shouldnt be confused with Oils as they are very different but they can be mixed together to create a good effect for drawing fish to bait.
Cloudy liquids, just find a combination of liquids you like and get some condensed milk from the supermarket and mix then together will cloud th water up a treat.
If you use the Cap Oil make sure you wash your hands before going to the toilet 😉😆
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Seeing as the original Trop recipe that was released on HMBB contain BAF tropical Fruit which is in the same vein as Fruit Bomb I would suggest they would be a good companion.I would would recommend keeping the levels on the low side though for a feed bait as JB Flavours are generally very concentrated.
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There is no money to be saved in making your own these days cost of ingredients + delivery + waste/leftover as recipes nearly always have some left overs, so does making your own still have a place of course it does but do it because you get a buzz from learning and putting something together yourself that catches fish.
And yes I do still make my own.
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The group that originally had input when this was put together, were a members of this forum including myself, its a good mix pretty much covers everything a fish needs nutritionally, still use a slightly altered version of it myself due to not being able to hold quantities of ings these days.
Loads of people use it with JB flavours, 2ml Ala Salar 1ml Plum (to 6 eggs) is a good one.
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Would appear Prosecto doesnt contain insects in it any more
QuotePlease note: Prosecto for fishing does not include insects
The BAF product is coming soon, looks like its not something that would make a big part of your overall mix but i might be wrong as there isnt much information available yet
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12 minutes ago, Carpbell_ll said:
dna and another company do a insect meal bait don't think dna have put the dry base mix on sale yet,
No but there sister comapny BAF have a bLack Fly Insect Meal in the pipe line
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CLO and WPC 80 are good binders, blood plasma and whey gel will help firm up a soft mix also the micronised products can do a job as well, wheat is the one i have used in the past, the problem you might face is having your pants pulled down on the price of insect meal unless you have a good source.
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Only thing left to do is get some knocked up and head down the pond, nothing beats catching on something you have put together yourself.
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They look good mate, have they held there firmness ? , just remember if they have gone soft (which isnt a bad thing) and your water has a population of silvers they will nibble them down. Easily fixed by making a one egg batch of hardened hookbaits.
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bit of an odd question but what's the maximum time you could put a fresh made paste log into the fridge and still roll it on a table roller, some pastries and dough's can be left overnight in the fridge before working, would a base mix become too stiff for rolling if left overnight in the fridge?
It purely depends on the mix mate, i couldnt leave my current mix in the fridge overnight it would be to stiff to gun out. TBH i just leave for an hour tops if im just doing 6 eggs or just roll it straighty away.
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Not used it personally, if it looks anything like this stuff then you should be good to go, looks like its best used at low levels though. Have listened to a couple of things about bovine and its attractivness for carp.
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Youll have loads of fun with it mate
I found this guys videos very helpful when working out what is what and he also does a few vids on the new drone regulations and breaks them down.
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If your going to be using some of Dean's (Dean Towey) gear you might want to listen to some of his podcasts on the subject
https://www.youtube.com/@CarpChronicles