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59 minutes ago, framey said:
It really doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks
your fishing and how you choose to angle for them is your choice alone
i have a bait boat and have never used it in England, mainly because the waters I fish do not allow them.
that means I still have to be able to cast and feature find so it will never be a forgotten part of fishing for me
some of the day tickets I fish you will be on a loser if you don’t use them
I just choose not to.simply,because to me my fishing isnt a numbers game
couldn’t think of anything worse than fishing the Tom maker style
50 fish a day would be so boring to me…
I think with a sonar feature finding becomes even more important tbh as you can really find some different spots, there are always the ones in most swims you can tell everyone uses because they are firm and large finding the smaller ones where you have seen them fizzing I've found to be the holy grail this year, I've found a few like this that aren't clear but with a bit of prebaiting become small but mighty dinner plates.
One of the lakes I can fish I once caught 10 in 24 hours, I've not fished it since was exhausting 😂 I think the key is enjoyment, I am always the first to congratulate people when they catch a good one, whatever method you are using it's usually taken a lot of effort or some good angling. Some people have time, I just try and do the best with the time I have, and I like to make the most of it. 👍
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Finding a small hole in the weed and using a bait boat to drop off your rig and bait be like.
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1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said:
Not practising my long distance casting is one skill I've lost. I'm not as proficient as I was at Nazeing, where long casting was the norm or his best mate, and that is without a bait boat!
I don't know if you have seen it, but I did a hand drawn map of Earith Virginia, Reed Lake and Pats Pool, with as many features as I could find; islands, the gravel bars, overhangs, plateaus and even the surrounding trees, shrubs, bushes and reeds. Everything was found with a marker float, and it took me around a week to work my way round the whole of Virginia and Reeds, along with a sneak along the Drove bank. Pats was easy, although I did only ever floater fish it.
I guess feeling everything and getting depths with the lead and marker float was my biggest skill, and it's one of my still in use tactics.
I can still remember various favourite lakes in my head; gravel bars, shape, particular swims and features from as much as over 30years ago!
SCARY!
You have to remember I also don't get the luxury of fishing a week Infact I've only had one 48 hour session this year bar the social and I had the kids and dog with me. Normally I get there sometime in the afternoon and pack up in the morning. Time isn't a luxury I possess, I basically get to fit in where I can and try and make it count. That's when the boat and deeper comes in very handy, as constant leading and spombing would spoil most of the chances before I even got them. Like I've said I still largely check spots with a lead or marker I just don't have to cast 50 times to find them. and I always feel for a drop even from the boat.
Other boat advantages include being able to bait very tight and very heavy and very quickly. I can drop off 3kg of bait on a literal dustbin lid, to spod that much, fatigue might set in and one or two might go astray and that may take slightly longer to get a bite. Sometimes I will make a sweet spot in the middle of a wider spread of bait, kind of like a bullseye with all roads leading to it. There is so much you can actually do with one. something else I do is bait tight to a marker with it and then put a rod either side on the edges. I like to cast these as its less of a faff and quite satisfying.
Prebaiting with a boat, gamechanger, chances are you will get noticed spombing out kilos of bait and also it takes ages, 1 bucket of bait in a boat is probably 3 trips out and you have quickly prepped for next time (accurately) and with discretion even in the dead of night.
I never used to like boats either, but now I can really see the advantage,sometimes it's good to move with the times a little and I'm still only scratching the surface with what it can do.
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21 minutes ago, Highy said:
Spooled this morning...
Taken 2 weeks to deliver 🙄🙄
Looks good is that the glow in the dark line?
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2 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:
I wonder if those of us don't use bait boats for whatever reason 'develop' or use other skills?
I learnt to get very tight casting to my marker float, the cast wasn't good enough unless I splashed the float with my lead, and I rarely clipped up back then.
At Taverham, one 'identified' gravel spot under the corner of the island used to actually be quite silty, but regularly feeding bait got it lovely and clear, down to 'bedrock' gravel with no silt on top as the fish fed on it.
To start with you'd get a donk through the silt onto the gravel, and as it got clearer you would get less pull back on the marker lead, and get that real billiard ball bounce.
After a few weeks of pressure it switched off until the silt came back.
I did have that advantage of using a boat usually every week or so as I did regularly go out for the occasional overcast lead or spod in a tree, and a couple of hot summers between 1991 and 1994 saw shallow gravel bars reach the surface as the water level dropped.
I've never really been Terry Edmonds at casting, but I can still cast accurately enough and am finding I have to push myself to cast further more often and I still like to cast sometimes and with the use of 12ft wrapping sticks I can get it to land where I want it too, and sometimes I still just use a marker or lead to determine the bottom especially if I know the swim, sometimes I just use the boat and deeper because it's more stealthy or a good quick way of finding interesting spots without thrashing the water to a foam.
I used to catch fish before I got a boat and like to think I still would. I've also caught some nice fish this year not always with the boat, so not quite sure what skills I may have lost? I've also been trying to fish different areas of the lake this year to build a better overall picture (i now have spots in atleast 10 swims) if anything I think I am getting better these days.
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1 hour ago, kevtaylor said:
Sonar shows bottom hardness, so yes you can find silty spots that may hold bloodworm, also shows roots/branches near snags.
Useful when combined with manual checks 😎👍
You can definately get a rough picture of what's going on on the lake bed, even from the Deeper plus, this spot after a few casts I decided was a little silty but still quite firm, I haven't rechecked it recently but I've left a good bit of bait on it since and I suspect the top layer will now be a much brighter colour where its been cleaned off,
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22 hours ago, kevtaylor said:
Yeah you should have mate, if I'm over Bluebell one time pop over if that's not too far, or on the next social - hint hint, get one sorted lol 😂👍
Talks have begun for another one possibly at linear 😲
22 hours ago, kevtaylor said:Have a search on youtube, Kevin Ellis, Leigh Stewart-Day you might find one of Kevs videos where he meets Leigh on the bank and there is a demo of the ND2 with Raymarine thats pretty epic, I bought mine after watching that from Leigh.
If you cant find it let me know I'll have a look and share the link 👍
I had a look at that one and a few others the raymarine does look good, can't help feeling that I would be better off upgrading the boat to get one rather than fitting one to the actor plus. A deeper chirp is an easier fix for the actor plus and could still be used if the boat stopped working. But I still can't decide if it is a load better than the pro plus 😂
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54 minutes ago, commonly said:
As above.
New venue required for autumn/winter social....?
I've heard that Linear have aquired a few more waters, not sure but may be able to book some pegs
Horseshoe?
I've just had a look you can book some lakes now and a few exclusively too, I could be tempted if I can get the time away again.
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8 minutes ago, B B said:
it was interesting…
And if I ever fall off me ladder and hit my head and went over to the dark side and then I got me a bait boat, I would be boating a lead to the island margins on a marker rod feeling for the fable Donk and making sure there’s no snags. 🤔 I always drag a lead in the near margin before I fish it just to check for obstructions.
Join the darkside, it's brilliant 😂
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On 05/09/2023 at 14:48, kevtaylor said:
All true, however sonar has shown me things that I would never have found with a marker i.e drop offs that are actually undercut, like a catfish highway on Swan Lake Bluebell. Also my mate taking me straight to an undercut bank in the old river bed at Pitsford Res, Perch hotspot, you couldn't find that by any other means. Sonar also shows bottom hardness, mine does anyway, I'm not saying you can rely on it soley but with a combination of manual work and tech it can be useful on occasion.
I meant to have a look at your raymarine while we were at the social. I wanted to see how much better than a deeper it was. I've been doing a little research since trying to work out whether it's worth upgrading to a chirp +2 or other sonar such s the raymarine, I have a pro plus presently and it's alright but I can't decide how much better a chirp or other would be.
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30 minutes ago, B B said:
Here’s a interesting vid for the boaters and the casters can’t help to learn from it
I watched this a while ago it is quite interesting isn't it?
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42 minutes ago, Golden Paws said:
Everything I mentioned about stealth and accuracy doesn't apply here!
Where can I get one 😳
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8 minutes ago, B B said:
That chain looks like you nicked it off a Harley Davidson 😳
Nicked off a kids bike outside the sweet shop 😎
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15 hours ago, Carpbell3 said:
I got the sonik spod reel this year with braid, I have snapped off three times spombing a small water, still got the spomb.The line really don't like hitting the clip, needs slowing down just before the clip.
Thinking I will spool some 50lb braid to replace what snapped, should do it without having to bother with a leader.
I found that braid a bit rubbish tbh seemed to snap way too easily. I also tried thicker braid and it destroyed the sonik spod reel, it couldn't handle reeling it back in
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I'm a bit obsessive too, I haven't posted my latest set up yet 😳any excuse lol
Matrix hockey sticks, MCF bike chains and my beloved Defiant MPS heads
Probably not the most functional set I've had but they meet my own vein bobbin fetish requirements at the moment.
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5 hours ago, commonly said:
I think it's fair to say none of us would be very good influencers/bloggers. Not sure why, but I think this maybe my longest write up.
Sorry if I'm waffling on.
Hopefully one of the others can fill in some of the gaps??
So, we arrived Friday morning to glorious weather, carp showing all around the horseshoe shaped lake.
A bit disappointed to discover we would need our own boat to get to the island swim.
Walked the lake a few times, and did a draw.
Surprisingly, we drew 1-5 numerically.?? It seemed a good omen.
In 2nd place I was lucky enough to pick one of the favoured swims.
It had a bit of everything, overhanging trees in the margins, 2 channels opening into the rear of the lake, off the back of the island with a long chuck of around 20 wraps.
Rods set up, time for the marker to find some spots. Oh!
Every chuck for the first 20 minutes plugged in thick blanket & Canadian weed. When I say plugged, I had to line the rod up with the lead and walk backwards??
This wasn't going to be as easy as I'd first thought.
Luckily it was clear in the channel to my left around the lillies, so put a bit of bait out & a rod on each side of the channel.
I flicked around a light lead with 1 ft zig on the 3rd rod to try and pick off the fish that had been fizzing in the swim.
@kevtaylor went in next to me on the gate swim, with the road bank to himself. Fish showing at range, but not safe to fish for them due to the channel & island.
Rods out, set up camp, sun was out.
Just messaged the others how nice it was to do a bit of sunbathing & it poured down for half hour😄
We ordered the kebabs that Elmo kindly went to collect, had quick munch, beer and a chat. Then back to matter in hand.
Elmo had a mid double that night, fishing in the garden swim on the opposite side of the lake to me. Well done mate.
Next morning, no shows in front of me so I went for a wander.
@chillfactor had a small tench & similar issues with the weed, that we were told was upto 8 ft deep!!!!
@dalej2014 was having a nap, so went round to see Elmo. Interesting to watch his approach with the boat and Deeper. As far as I could tell, the baitboat was a very effective way to fish this venue.
I could just see @chillfactorwith a nice bend in his rod, so made my way back to see his capture. Which turned out to be another little tench with 10 times its weight in weed.
Headed back to my swim with Elmo to find @kevtaylor bent into a lovely looking mid double mirror. Nice one.
We ordered fish n chips, delivered to the gate. Chewed over a few stories between us and thoughts for the night ahead.
I had a lead around at the long chuck and found a clear spot. Put 2 rods out there and about a kilo of chops.
Woke up Sunday about 6.30, looked around. Beep, pause then a screamer, the bobbin hit the rod hard and I soon had the 19lber on the long chuck. It was an unusual scrap as the fish tried to bury itself in the weed. But I had a good hook hold and soon had it in the net.
It was a big relief having been in the favoured swim and not caught yet. Everyone had had a carp (or tench) by then.
Elmo & @dalej2014 were heading home that day and everything went really quiet. The wind had picked up & changed direction. That was enough to make @kevtaylor & @chillfactor make the move to the middle of the lake.
@kevtaylor had quick payback with his mid 20 cracker. Well done sir👍& thanks for getting out of bed to take a few pics of my fish.
I didn't have much activity in front of me and considered moving, but felt it was silly to move having caught this morning. So I continued to keep the chops going in every few hours on the long chuck, occasionally a sprinkling on my margin rod.
The lads had spotted an otter causing havoc at their part of the lake at dusk.
I was woken around midnight to a screamer on my margin rod. Without my head torch I proceeded to trip over my other 2 rods and grab the screamer. I had a lovely bend in the rod, but something felt strange. Rubbing almost. I played the fish until I saw the surrender of his mouth out of the water. I couldn't quite net it??? I jumped in and scooped the net under the fish. I could then see that during the fight my line had wrapped around an overhanging branch. Fish secure I cut the line.
Quick weigh up without my glasses looked around 14lb. Quick mat shot, didn't seem fair to wake anyone up for this little fella.
All quiet for therest of the night and morning. I had small fish showing on the long chuck, but no bites. Slow pack up and home for dinner time.
It was the first time on this type of social for me. It was kind of like meeting up with old mates after so many years on the forum.
I'd definitely go again, take care gents and be lucky!
Excellent write up, I almost felt Iike I was there 😂
Will definately go next time sounds fun.
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My little contribution to the weekends captures along with a tench.
Sadly I blanked last night, no wonder the pub chucked at a showing fish mesh bag didn't produce the goods came in looking like that,
Cracking weekend though, lovely lake, good to share it with some of you guys, hopefully will get to have a return match sometime.
Good luck tonight guys, hope you catch a few more belters. 👍🤞🤞
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Can bait boat really up catch rate?
in UK Carp Fishing
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I also enjoy spombing bait out, the plop of the catapult is my favourite way to bait though. But boats are quicker quiter, more accurate and less messy 😂