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I do think that Nash create products that aren't already in the market place and develop ideas that will improve someone's angling, not everything will but at least they try to bring fresh ideas, Greekskii I know people have been making untidy rigs and catching for years but for me a neat snowman would be a good thing, might make a 0.5% edge but add all those little extras up and it gives you confidence, I reckon I've got a countersink in the garage will try and make a nice snowman rig with it today, but without seeing this Nash tool I probably wouldn't have thought about it, so they have bought a product that may help someone's angling

Opinions are like noses, we all have one and pick it. Every company (tackle) will sell to demand and bring each new or copied product to market in search of the next big thing. That's business and whilst we find certain points/products to make fun of, they are in it for the money and in turn hopefully keeping humans in employment. Tackle tarts keep the premium brands in business and most working poor class have to go budget range, not necessarily through choice. If money was no object I'm pretty sure most of us would buy the best product available. In my experience Trekker is the brand I avoid due to the few products I've brought being very poor quality and falling to bits on the first few outings.!! Not so with Nash/Korda & the like, I'm sure we all have their products and they serve a purpose in the carp fishing world! For example I like the Korda pulling tool, I would not use a coat hook from B&Q

Just used the countersink have to say it does look quite lovely, As John Wilson used to say "I would eat that if I was a carp"

I think Nige's makes a good argument I certainly don't think he's showing bias (which I imagine must be quite difficult in a conversation such as this one!).

Just to play devils advocate......... if we all went with the cheaper,none angling based products as mentioned above with the said bore tool........ how long would our already dwindled tackle shops survive. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 As I’ve already made clear I luv a bargain,but it has to be a bargain a tenner or twenty £ cheaper. I ain’t gunna split hairs over the price of half a pint of Guinness 🙄🙄 Its gone on for years not just with tackle but also as some will know with bait as well. There’s always somebody doing the ripping off and there’s always somebody being ripped off,by who and how much is entirely your decision 😉😬

Then buy Freespirit lol

Nick you managed to get your hands on the Korda Prototype?

Quick market the Elmo countersink

A few £ try £30. My bulin cost me £15 from China (albeit it with a £5 off voucher) and is exactly the same bar the ignition has Trakker on it as my mates........ he payed £45 for his...... now that is carp tax. I like to remind him every session that when he brews up his tea tastes better than mine due to his superior and vastly more expensive stove. 🤔🤔😂😂😬

What about the kettles and stoves then? Pay a good few quid extra for a trakker logo on the side? Naughty that. Like Nige says, most of it adapted for anglers in one way or another. But sometimes it’s straight up the same product with a logo on. Or logo taken off. Can not justify that.

If I ever come up with a good idea and patent it then you bet I'll want to earn out of it !!

I remember when the Korda Krusha came out and it didn't look any different from the $2 "bud buster" the 7-11convenience stores were selling back then.

Lol 🤣😘😘😘

Isn't the only usual rule the higher the number the bigger the reel 🤔 I would go to a shop and pick one you feel most comfortable with

I've never made sense of the naming convention regards size mate.

Don't people mainly use wafters nowadays anyway for a balanced hookbait ? 🤔

I was thinking about this product and it reminds of bait drills (the ones for boring out pop ups for foam). I started with drill bits many years ago, way before a tackle firm bought one out. When they did bring one out (Korda I think it was) I bought one and it did make life easier. Same deal imo.

I've used wooden balls for baits, so I countersunk some, counterbored others to stop crayfish pulling boilie stops out. Thought 'hang on, that looks tidy, i'll do some real baits' so used the countersink for them. Colour coded? Would you like fishing colours? Yes I use my local tackle shops, yes I have worked in my local tackle shops, and there is always a rep coming in and trying to sell the latest 'must have'. Do you know how much stuff gets purchased and then ends up in the '90% off' bucket after being unsold for 5 years?

Yep, you have a choice as you say. Now there is an option that you can choose, if you so wish, that allows you to buy from the same shop that you are in when purchasing the rest of your tackle. One that has been tweaked to suit the angler rather than the carpenter for various reasons like ergonomics in use, fitting in your tackle box, colour coded to tie in with the rest of your rig tools etc etc. Yet companies are taking the mickey out of anglers for offering this🤷‍♂️. People who will find use for items like the bore tool may buy one. Some people who might not have thought of using said tool may buy a similar item from a hardware store. Some people may have had one for years, like yourself, who might not have utilised it in their mounting of baits and now will. Some people may not see the need for one in their angling and not purchase one. And some people may have better things to do in their lives than carry on an argument over something so minuscule as a rig tool for the sake of trying to have the last word🤦‍♂️

Yes, I work for nash but I try to stay away from being biased on here, especially with my title of a moderator. The thoughts I have put down in this thread, and any others, are my own and would be the same if I worked for said company or not. As you will have read, it’s a general point I’m trying to get across, hence the aqua tray comments. that point being - yes, you can buy similar items to some products from outside of the tackle brands, but they probably haven’t been tinkered with, or developed for a nicer sounding word, to suit the angler. Handles on the bore tool, eva tray on the aqua product etc. Another thing to take into account when saying something is a pound cheaper (carp tax as some like to put it), a tool company like rolson (who are a budget brand by the way and coming from a construction background, I wouldn’t use their products), is that they would be buying/selling on a scale of probably 100,000 times more than a fishing manufacturer😉

Never said you did mate. Should have quoted as to not imply that xx

I don’t fish snowman rigs, 99% of my fishing is multi rigs or zigs. However, if I was to use a snowman, I would use this tool to house the pop up into the bottom bait. Especially if using bait screws. Neatness is a big part of my fishing and I am anal about how my rigs look. They have to be just right. Does it matter? Who knows but what it does give me is confidence, and that alone is worth the extra bit of care taken when tying rigs up.

One of the unnecessary items that isn’t really needed but the tackle tarts will love imo. Carp have been caught on “un-neat” snowmen hookbaits for decades. Why do they suddenly need to be neat? Who knows. Does it matter what the snowman looks like? Course not. Will people buy it? Course they will.

As for the claim that people are being scammed!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

It makes a snowman really neat, without breaking the seal on the pop up by slicing the bottom off. It also allows the bait screw to go further into the pop up if using one, with less risk of it ‘rocking’ off due to it being housed in the bottom bait. yeah, you could go out and buy a countersink as suggested in the link previously on this thread. They are around the same price but the handles are bigger since won’t sit neatly in your box with the rest of your rig tools. Some people just like to trash a product, no matter what it is. Take the aqua tray for instance. Saying that you can buy one from Argos is a bit of a joke! The similar items you can get from there will not stand up to life on the bank. Yes, they might be from a similar concept, but they aren’t designed for use outdoors etc.

That’s the thing mate..... speak to someone who has actually used them and had experience of them😎