elmoputney Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Right I blanked but sadly I spent most of the night with a rig with no bait on and one probably 7 inches of the deck, one of my rigs the d rig kicker had snapped/been cut on the d rig, and one had no putty, I recast them this morning and in the wind one went right but got an ish drop so I left it while I sorted the other two rods. Had a couple of bleeps and I wanted it right so brought it in and guess what no putty again, (weed free too) So my question crayfish or does dark matter rig putty just fall off? one thing is certain I am going back to tungsten weights on my booms, don't know why I stopped really, putty is so unreliable in comparison. jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 46 minutes ago, elmoputney said: Right I blanked but sadly I spent most of the night with a rig with no bait on and one probably 7 inches of the deck, one of my rigs the d rig kicker had snapped/been cut on the d rig, and one had no putty, I recast them this morning and in the wind one went right but got an ish drop so I left it while I sorted the other two rods. Had a couple of bleeps and I wanted it right so brought it in and guess what no putty again, (weed free too) So my question crayfish or does dark matter rig putty just fall off? one thing is certain I am going back to tungsten weights on my booms, don't know why I stopped really, putty is so unreliable in comparison. Crayfish love putty, they chew tungsten putty and tubing for fun. Like you I try to avoid putty anywhere crayfish are present, so for balancing pop-ups I went back to olivettes, either small inline threaded and fixed on boom sections or 'lock and slide' olivettes with a piece of silicon or shrink tubing fixing them. In terms of putty, I still use Kryston Heavy Metal, once tried never beaten. I bought a tub around 2008 for Brackens on Nazeing, I finally had to buy a new tub this year. Dave Chilton did say that the make-up was lost by Tasker (?), so he had to go and get it redone for them. It is as good as it was, so it's still my goto. I do use a bit of putty moulded around a swivel or knot join on combi-rig pop-ups when no crayfish are about, and you can get away with it on silty areas as they don't usually feed on there. elmoputney and jules007 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules007 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said: Crayfish love putty, they chew tungsten putty and tubing for fun. Like you I try to avoid putty anywhere crayfish are present, so for balancing pop-ups I went back to olivettes, either small inline threaded and fixed on boom sections or 'lock and slide' olivettes with a piece of silicon or shrink tubing fixing them. In terms of putty, I still use Kryston Heavy Metal, once tried never beaten. I bought a tub around 2008 for Brackens on Nazeing, I finally had to buy a new tub this year. Dave Chilton did say that the make-up was lost by Tasker (?), so he had to go and get it redone for them. It is as good as it was, so it's still my goto. I do use a bit of putty moulded around a swivel or knot join on combi-rig pop-ups when no crayfish are about, and you can get away with it on silty areas as they don't usually feed on there. Im with you on the Kryston heavy putty and i would of bought mine about 2010, still got a bit left elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 20 Author Report Share Posted October 20 I've spoke to someone who knows it inside out and he doesn't think it is the krays, but could be small catfish and eels. Could've been anything I guess, I was putting putty on the krimps so should have held OK. Back to the tungsten sinkers I think. I've not had one of those go missing yet 😂 jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higham1987 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 ESP Balance Beads, I've always used these instead of Putty or shot 👍 kevtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 1 hour ago, elmoputney said: I've spoke to someone who knows it inside out and he doesn't think it is the krays, but could be small catfish and eels. Could've been anything I guess, I was putting putty on the krimps so should have held OK. Back to the tungsten sinkers I think. I've not had one of those go missing yet 😂 You could try a stop knot to give the putty something to bite into did you warm it up enough ? jules007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 4 hours ago, elmoputney said: Right I blanked but sadly I spent most of the night with a rig with no bait on and one probably 7 inches of the deck, one of my rigs the d rig kicker had snapped/been cut on the d rig, and one had no putty, I recast them this morning and in the wind one went right but got an ish drop so I left it while I sorted the other two rods. Had a couple of bleeps and I wanted it right so brought it in and guess what no putty again, (weed free too) So my question crayfish or does dark matter rig putty just fall off? one thing is certain I am going back to tungsten weights on my booms, don't know why I stopped really, putty is so unreliable in comparison. Mentioned them before: https://gardnertackle.co.uk/product/covert-tungsten-kickers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 20 Author Report Share Posted October 20 25 minutes ago, framey said: You could try a stop knot to give the putty something to bite into did you warm it up enough ? Yeah I was rolling it in my fingers until it softened up a bit. It might be that it was going on boom so didn't grip properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 3 minutes ago, elmoputney said: Yeah I was rolling it in my fingers until it softened up a bit. It might be that it was going on boom so didn't grip properly. Put it on top of the kettle to soften. jules007 and elmoputney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 20 Author Report Share Posted October 20 8 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said: Mentioned them before: https://gardnertackle.co.uk/product/covert-tungsten-kickers/ I will just use these again, I don't want to change the whole rig tbh. The large ones will hold down most pop ups I use tbh jules007, Higham1987 and barry211 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 3 hours ago, elmoputney said: I've spoke to someone who knows it inside out and he doesn't think it is the krays, but could be small catfish and eels. Could've been anything I guess, I was putting putty on the krimps so should have held OK. Back to the tungsten sinkers I think. I've not had one of those go missing yet 😂 Definately not Ronnie and Reggie . 😁 elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 20 Author Report Share Posted October 20 1 hour ago, crusian said: Definately not Ronnie and Reggie . 😁 Not Ronnie he invented the thing, reggie has always been a bit jealous of his success in the rig making fraternity maybe he worked alone to sabotage me. Higham1987, crusian and commonly 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Paws Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 I've never got on with moudable putty. Either if falls off or I can't get it to sit straight. I thread on the largest size droppers as in Elmo's post above and never have any problem. I like a "heavy" weight close to the hook as I'm sure it aids hooking. Higham1987 and elmoputney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 28 Author Report Share Posted October 28 After having a little play with sinkers and some putty last night, I decided I didn't like the way the sinkers make the rig sit off the deck, the hook and bait looked almost like it was floating, I attached some putty to the swivel and instantly thought that's better, however I don't want to attach putty to the swivel as it will fall off, or stop the rig working as it should, so I got straight online to purchase some korda dark matter balancing weights. I went for the heaviest ones, hopefully these will be heavy enough to hold down the proper jobs. If not it will be back to the drawing board. I did also try different sized loops,with the sinkers, small loops could leave it presenting oddly, and bigger loops just sat off the deck too much but left it presented well everytime. Fancy thinking I was finished with this rig lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higham1987 Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 On 20/10/2024 at 14:59, Higham1987 said: ESP Balance Beads, I've always used these instead of Putty or shot 👍 4 minutes ago, elmoputney said: After having a little play with sinkers and some putty last night, I decided I didn't like the way the sinkers make the rig sit off the deck, the hook and bait looked almost like it was floating, I attached some putty to the swivel and instantly thought that's better, however I don't want to attach putty to the swivel as it will fall off, or stop the rig working as it should, so I got straight online to purchase some korda dark matter balancing weights. I went for the heaviest ones, hopefully these will be heavy enough to hold down the proper jobs. If not it will be back to the drawing board. I did also try different sized loops,with the sinkers, small loops could leave it presenting oddly, and bigger loops just sat off the deck too much but left it presented well everytime. Fancy thinking I was finished with this rig lol Honestly, the ESP balance beads are awesome...1 side is a thin bore side to cover knots, other side is slightly wider bore to cover swivel eyes... elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 28 Author Report Share Posted October 28 31 minutes ago, Higham1987 said: Honestly, the ESP balance beads are awesome...1 side is a thin bore side to cover knots, other side is slightly wider bore to cover swivel eyes... I have tried those and while they are fine if you are using a coated braid and you knot it, I am using boom and have to Krimp it and leave a loop, this leaves a gap between swivel and krimp and that seems to lift further off the deck by the addition of a sinker, I am getting some atomic jellywyre delivered today so will have a play with that also but I do just like the boom as it is less visible and makes a nice neat boom section. Higham1987 and commonly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 30 Author Report Share Posted October 30 Well that works pretty well 13mm proper job sits perfectly tbh maybe slightly over weighted, so could use slightly smaller weight maybe but I think I've solved the problem for now. Higham1987, yonny, commonly and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted November 1 Author Report Share Posted November 1 48 hours in and that proper job is still primed and ready to go. barry211, Higham1987 and B B 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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