Cog lead and Rigs

[Old school]

Just removed this from a ducks beak! Poor thing couldn't lift its head, Surely theres no need for a contraption like this? 

 

[dayvid]

Some will say most defiantly in a given circumstance , I say Gonads

[elmoputney]

Wow that looks pretty bad is it a cog lead and the rig is meant to detach? From it? 

[salokcinnodrog]

Shameful!

 

[framey]

I can’t see how a duck could get rid of that lead but where do we draw the line?
Can a roach/bream/tench get rid of it if it snaps off? how many of those get tethered when we crack off?

however it’s not my cup of tea..

 

[yonny]

The rubber is clearly jammed on too tight but on paper this set-up is safe no?

I don't like the look of those cog jobbies, tangle city imo.

[Old school]

Is there any need for all that though Yonny? Were just fishing, there was a good 10 foot of line still attached which makes me think the owner didn't even bother to try and unhook the duck just cut the line and no doubt set another up? 

[oscsha]

So whats that extra little bit do thats attached between the lead and hooklink  ?

 

[oscsha]

Just googled Cog lead , silly idea IMO .

[yonny]

That dodgy quick change clip aint part of the Korda cog kit, makes me wonder if they've bodged it all together out of random bits. Maybe the swivel barrel that fits the lead is different too, which might explain why it's not released the lead.

17 minutes ago, Old school said:

Is there any need for all that though Yonny?

All what? If used correctly there's nowt wrong with tubing and a lead clip imo, cog or otherwise.

[Old school]

Why not just use the lead clip? What does the cog actually do? 

 

[oscsha]

1 minute ago, Old school said:

Why not just use the lead clip? What does the cog actually do? 

 

 

Makes Danny richer LOL

[framey]

12 minutes ago, Old school said:

Why not just use the lead clip? What does the cog actually do? 

 

Technically it make the fish feel the full weight instead of having movement that a clip creates 

doesn’t that then make a mockery of having loops in stiff links etc lol

[salokcinnodrog]

2 hours ago, framey said:

Technically it make the fish feel the full weight instead of having movement that a clip creates 

doesn’t that then make a mockery of having loops in stiff links etc lol

Or as Danny himself originally recommended, an inline lead, with a ring rather than swivel, or a swivel inside the buffer bead, and it does work with a short pop-up rig. Used that set-up myself before he recommended it.

[framey]

40 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said:

Or as Danny himself originally recommended, an inline lead, with a ring rather than swivel, or a swivel inside the buffer bead, and it does work with a short pop-up rig. Used that set-up myself before he recommended it.

I have the original Korda rig book from way back when lol

 

[yonny]

14 hours ago, Old school said:

Why not just use the lead clip? What does the cog actually do? 

 

14 hours ago, framey said:

Technically it make the fish feel the full weight instead of having movement that a clip creates 

That.

@Old school, I agree with you that they're not necessary, but I don't think they present any safety issue if used correctly.

[kevtaylor]

I think the cog lead is good in theory, but I'd go for in-line drop-off instead coz they are still picking up the lead heavy end first and you don't have any extra parts attached that wouldn't be necessary.

[dayvid]

The WHEEL has to be reinvented to make a profit.

[bluelabel]

Tried COG's... didn't like em... found the shortened swivel rarely detached from the lead even after vigorous shaking... mine went in the bin...👎

[elmoputney]

17 minutes ago, Enzyme said:

Korda's reccomended size 8 swivels don't shake out of their own inline leads either (pretty often)

They do nothing about it and it has been a problem for many years now

But of course money is extremely important to them (so important that they don't get a penny of mine)

Sorry mate we love Danny on here, he does a lot of good work for fishing, 

[elmoputney]

1 minute ago, Enzyme said:

You speak for all ''X'' hundred members do you?

WOW how amazingly generalising of you!

Thanks 

 

1 minute ago, Enzyme said:

Apart from fixing obvious dangers within his OWN tackle range, obviously

 

I am sure his team would have looked I to any issues you may have had, if you had reported it to them directly, 

[salokcinnodrog]

10 minutes ago, Enzyme said:

Apart from fixing obvious dangers within his OWN tackle range (which he has known about for 15 years)

 

 

7 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

Thanks 

 

I am sure his team would have looked I to any issues you may have had, if you had reported it to them directly, 

 

17 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

Sorry mate we love Danny on here, he does a lot of good work for fishing, 

 

36 minutes ago, Enzyme said:

Korda's reccomended size 8 swivels don't shake out of their own inline leads either (pretty often)

They do nothing about it and it has been a problem for many years now

But of course money is extremely important to them (so important that they don't get a penny of mine)

That is one reason I try to put as little money in his pocket as possible.

His Embryo project may be good for angling, although over stocking a lake with tench is not a good idea.

 

His lead clips are shameful, the lead clip should always lockdown and not move. Yet it only takes a tug for the lead clip to release from the swivel. Every other manufacturer knows this, and pegs them or has theirs drilled so they can be tied in place.

You should be able to use any size 8 swivel, not just Korda's which are a slightly different size.

 

And some of the tips coming out of the Korda company have left a number of fish...

'Using a needle Put your leadcore beads on sideways' that stopped rigs ejecting and lead to fish getting snagged up on leadcore. 

 

[elmoputney]

I don't use korda leads or lead clips as I don't really use lead clips tbh, so can't really comment 

My go to these days is a fox inline and a tadpole insert these are great tbh they have a enough grip for a bolt effect but easily free themselves incase of trouble, 

I also didn't see that suggested to do that with the bead, but surely people who saw it would have complained to them if it was a bad idea, seems pretty obvious that it could be dangerous to me 

[salokcinnodrog]

13 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I don't use korda leads or lead clips as I don't really use lead clips tbh, so can't really comment 

My go to these days is a fox inline and a tadpole insert these are great tbh they have a enough grip for a bolt effect but easily free themselves incase of trouble, 

I also didn't see that suggested to do that with the bead, but surely people who saw it would have complained to them if it was a bad idea, seems pretty obvious that it could be dangerous to me 

It was recommended when I was fishing at Nazeing probably around 2008, maybe earlier, a couple of fish were found tethered, printed in the national press and on a big thread on here, started by Jemsue, unable to get rid of the rig, attached to leadcore.

 

Rob Hughes and Simon Crow reported them in CarpTalk.

Korda then backtracked what they said. 

 

[elmoputney]

9 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said:

It was recommended when I was fishing at Nazeing probably around 2008, maybe earlier, a couple of fish were found tethered, printed in the national press and on a big thread on here, started by Jemsue, unable to get rid of the rig, attached to leadcore.

 

Rob Hughes and Simon Crow reported them in CarpTalk.

Korda then backtracked what they said. 

 

 You just have to hope the lessons were learnt from all that then, nowadays it seems anglers have a duty to be more responsible, which hopefully helps when promoting and making new rigs up, fish safety is definately more at the forefront than it used to be, I was probably not fishing around then so wouldn't have seen it, we are probably all a bit guilty of it in the past, I remember when it was acceptable to have a split shot either side of your ledger 😱

I also think nowadays we are more educated on fish safety so it has become part of the process to fish as safely as possible, which can only be a good thing 👍