nealjt Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) I had one in a tub of water over night and it had softened but no more than I'm used to with a live system boilie. I got some crushed cork pop ups and bottom bait barrels so have meshed up 50/50 to make wafters. I got the s2's which are sweet and with a coating of betaine. Apparently meshing will slow the break down of this coating. As on days only im not worried about this too much. If fishing a water without crays id happily fish them overnight with mesh but much longer i would start worrying that id loose the bait especially if i was getting liners. Edited March 15, 2016 by nealjt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muftyboy Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 I had one in a tub of water over night and it had softened but no more than I'm used to with a live system boilie. I got some crushed cork pop ups and bottom bait barrels so have meshed up 50/50 to make wafters. I got the s2's which are sweet and with a coating of betaine. Apparently meshing will slow the break down of this coating. As on days only im not worried about this too much. If fishing a water without crays id happily fish them overnight with mesh but much longer i would start worrying that id loose the bait especially if i was getting liners. I've been looking at them for a while but they are so expensive. If you start tearing the place up with them then ill buy some nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Ha ha! I'll let you know how I get on although I could blank in a fish mongers! So I'm probably not the best tester!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 The Specialised Hookbaits are lovely but don't expect them to catch you carp from spots that other baits won't. None of those fancy baits will do that fella. If I was you I'd go in with any old half decent (but cheap) bait, put it about a bit, and work out the areas the carp are happy to feed. Once you've done that it's time to start chucking the good (i.e. expensive) stuff in to really get them going. Bait is just one part of the jigsaw. IMO (and I know some will disagree) it plays a lesser part than we carpers traditionally thought. I truly believe if you have feeding fish in front of you almost any half decent bait will work. It sounds to me like it's the rest of the jigsaw you should be concentrating on at this point. Your priority should be finding the areas from which they are catchable. The most expensive bait in the world wont catch owt if it's in the wrong spot bud. crusian and nealjt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Absolutely Yonny, my best fish have all been on luncheon meat, bait does interest me, but I agree other aspects are far more important!! I've seen these baits on the web and always been curious, the only reason I got them was the wife wanted to attack my teeth with some extreme tooth pick thing she has, I only agreed on the condition she wouldn't moan if I brought these baits!! I've read a lot of tim Robinsons stuff and think he is spot on. bait can be made to be more attractive to than others, but he goes to great lengths to find the fish and present his bait well. I am under no illusion that it is me and how I fish that will get me bites or not yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 the only reason I got them was the wife wanted to attack my teeth with some extreme tooth pick thing she has, I only agreed on the condition she wouldn't moan if I brought these baits!! Brilliant Next up - a new bivvy lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Specialised Hookbaits First time I have seen anyone mention these they look interesting. But like yonny says these wont catch fish alone, the theory behind these sort of things is when the fish move over the bait the hookbait grabs there attention and ends up being one of the first taken rather than the last. Bait is just one part of the jigsaw. IMO (and I know some will disagree) it plays a lesser part than we carpers traditionally thought. I agree with most of this, there is a debate in the final bit but that really would be splitting hairs and I don't think its worth it, I think bait gives you so many options with regards to the feeding situations you can create, but you can't do that until you have a picture of what is going on yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Maybe this should be another thread, if I'm successful with the hookbaits I will start one, I've done a search but only a few mentions came up. Anyhoo, it ties in as using them partly because of the venue. It is heavily baited year round from what I've seen and I don't think there is an advantage of putting more bait over other that is probably there. The lake has definite feeding areas but I think this is created by popular swims and anglers always adding bait there. The chances of me getting in these swims due to when I fish is minimal, so I aim to target the quieter areas where the carp may just go for a rest and a cruise about. I'm not able to realistically prebait, so when it's warmer I aiming to use a scattering of soluble balls of bait, my bag mix mentioned above, squashed in a 20mm ballmaker, with either the special hookbaits or a meshed paste of the bag mix. In the hope I can find where they are cruising and have enough to stop them for a quick nibble I like the write up of the specialized hookbaits as it shows the makers thinking behind them which is that a carps smell is more like taste and that the baits "taste" go into the water well. Anyway all this is theory and no practice so will have to wait until I get lake side to see what happens ! yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 carps smell is more like taste and that the baits "taste" go into the water well Sort of right, a carp is constantly passing water through its nostrils, certain attractors dissolving into the water causes them to react and try and locate the source (IMO the best way to utilise amino's), I am guessing here but it would make sense that these baits have a highly attractive, highly soluble crust on them which achieves the above. Anyway back to talk about Bayeswater nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Good luck for Saturday Neal , and hopefully you'll meet up with Spr . Then together you can " unlock " Bayeswater . spr1985 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Woo hoo! Will have to see how it goes, not sure if there will even be any spare swims I've packed an extra cup for spr no seat though as am going lightweight! Looks like it'll be coldish, cloud with some drizzle early on ENE wind, want sun really. I'm really trying to not pre plan anything very much want to go with whatever I get when I turn up crusian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muftyboy Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Woo hoo! Will have to see how it goes, not sure if there will even be any spare swims I've packed an extra cup for spr no seat though as am going lightweight! Looks like it'll be coldish, cloud with some drizzle early on ENE wind, want sun really. I'm really trying to not pre plan anything very much want to go with whatever I get when I turn up Have you seen the thinking tackle episode at bayswater?, it was on the other night. nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I haven't seen it but I'm about to look for it on the net thanks for the heads up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Mufty is it the one that Neal linked in post six? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muftyboy Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Mufty is it the one that Neal linked in post six? No mate,the one I watched was with Al hamidi,I think it's quite a new one. They had some lovely mirrors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Don't suppose you know the exact episode? Or a link..... Pretty please [emoji16] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I've looked for that one, think it is pretty new, I could find it on tinterweb, is it series 9 episode 6? Oh spr of you arrive you may need to be prepared my nephew might be with me, he had a 37lber when he was there with me in summer !! Couldn't believe it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Maybe he can show us both how it's done! I'll make sure I have the camera with me just in case, I'll take a ganders at the Kota website and see if I can find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 It's season 9 episode 2 but it's not on YouTube or Korda website..... Sky sports obviously have the rights to it for a set period of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muftyboy Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 It's season 9 episode 2 but it's not on YouTube or Korda website..... Sky sports obviously have the rights to it for a set period of time On demand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 As funny as some may find this I refuse point blankly to pay for sky I think it's a massive rip off, hey ho I'll just wait till its on the net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Seen two carp muftyboy and spr1985 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Sir chod rig out first me thinks newmarket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Seen two carp I want to see them , 1 at a time , on your unhooking mat with your grinning face ! . Go Neal ! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Nothing yet apart for a nibble from a coot ! Feels cold today ⛄️⛄️⛄️⛄️⛄️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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