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There's a fish in there somewhere!! 👍

Either or. Depends on which pellet you use tbh. Coppens supreme or elite are good. Skretting premium is similar. The Aller Aqua pellets are good too now they are readily available. edit - salmon fry crumb is an incredible addition to bag mixes

🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏻‍♂️ Me next. I went to uni to study aquaculture and carried out multiple research studies on feed for skretting and coppens. Plenty of scientific bait stuff over 3 years.

Yonny has photo albums full of fish to make you drool. I’m not reading the entire thread but my guess is another scientist has appeared that doesn’t fully understand that no matter how much science you throw at it, carp fishing isn’t that simple. otherwise all the self proclaimed science gods over the years would be stupidly rich and dominate the bait market…which they don’t at all. I’ve watched carp eat sweetcorn over trout pellet…one is significantly better on paper… maybe the scientists can tell us why that happened. each to their own, don’t force it on anyone though, after all 90% of carp anglers go on experience and observations. No point telling people that have experienced the total opposite as you believe that they are wrong or whatever. Makes you look a fool

It's not your writing. just hope you didn't C&P you way through uni, the only writing of your own is just subjective piffle presented as fact and backed up by an unwavering ego.

I had to skim read it, some of it was hurting my eyes 😳

Yonny has caught some amazing fish for a fraud, and I can speak for myself when I say he is a very knowledgeable angler who has helped me out no end, given me lots of good advice in the past and I've asked some right stupid questions, but he always took the time to answer, and for that I am grateful I think you either have a grudge against him or you just enjoy being contrary, I've definately become a better angler from listening to him and others on this site, maybe you could learn something too if you didn't know it all already 👍

On the bank and first rod is out had to get a quick grass snake video, not much few pics as well

I just ignored it, couldn't be bothered to read it. If I want to research something I do my own work and put it into my own words then reference it. Gave up on trying to explain something that I have used my own experiences on numbers of waters, he ain't listening and now just coming up with twaddle. Sweetcorn is high in lysine, a feeding trigger amino acid, it is a decent bait and food, albeit the shell comes out as it went in, but the kernel can be digested.

You're possibly the rudest chap I've ever seen on here. Carpbell wasn't trying to be write from a scientific perspective. He was writing from an anglers perspective i.e telling you about observations he's made on the bank. And your response..... copying/pasting the very first thing (🤣) that comes up on Google when you enter anything about the nutritional requirements of carp... is absolutely laughable. Made me chuckle. You call that scientific writing? A 4 year old can copy/paste from Google. So to invite you to dig your hole deeper, I'd like you to tell us how your copy/pasted passage about the nutritional requirements of carp supports your claims that a rubbish bait will catch as much as a decent one?

You've basically said it yourself right at the beginning, if it's working stick with it.... If not try something else and ask about what people think about certain Baits (Trial and error)... I started off in Nash Candy Nut, did some fish, since moved to Sticky, got better results, now trying another bait option (Not Boilies) and myself and a mate have caught 21 fish in 2 sessions upto 31lb and that with no offerings around them and no pre-baiting. I ain't no Tom Dove or Mark Pitchers but Fishing is mainly a hobby and if everyone had the option we would be on the freshest and best Baits possible, but LIFE has other means and ways, and when we do get out on the bank hopefully we give 110% and try to reap the rewards.

Wow does it matter how many times someone goes fishing ? I haven’t been since the last lockdown was announced (October time was it) doesn’t mean anything to anyone else except me

Nice one thanks, last ones I bought were Aller aqua halibut ones 17mm bream chokers, they were high protien high oil ones, seem quite high spec These were good to deal with very quick delivery postage included https://bulkfishpellets.co.uk/collections/aller-aqua-ap

Looks like me before I got the manscaper out 😂😂

Where have I taken a swipe at you? My first post on this thread was as follows: I find it very surprising that you've been fishing for carp for 50 years and don't believe decent bait makes any difference. Especially given how much thought you clearly put into the subject. For me, bait is second only to location. It is nothing short of critical imo. I have commended your thinking and merely expressed surprise at your conclusion. Are you for real?🤣🤣🤣 I'm not bothered about the "last word" mate so fill your boots.

Saturday Morning me Elmo, for 24hrs, I've also got my Mix ready for 1 rod, then the introduced new bait.

Totally agree Highy, I just enjoy my short amount of time on the bank, that's enough for me, I do what I can to prepare, yesterday I went raking and baiting 2nd time this week, I am going tomorrow can't blooming wait, just make the most of what time you have and enjoy it, I'll be using a mix of 4 baits I have confidence in tomorrow 😁

Ha ha garbage? nope just an explanation in my own vernacular, i guarantee nobody will read your copy paste, condense it down to your own every language use, or are you not able to?

Considering you keep referencing the principles of debate you don't half come up with some strange responses mate. I only use boiled baits for certain times of the year when I believe they're at their most effective. Those are the periods when the carp will choose the aminos they detect with their gustatory and the olfactory senses over other baits such as particles. The best way to offer them that is a top quality fishmeal boilie. Imo. You'd be right to wonder how often I go fishing. I have a full time job and a wonderful young family at home that are the priority in my life. I normally get a day or two on the bank per month which goes about halfway to satisfying my love of angling. Luckily it's just enough to achieve results and if you read through the catch reports on here you'll see I do OK given my limited time. A1 Pits is just round the corner from me. A proper circus I'm sure you'll agree. Unlike you I do still target big fish waters which as you can imagine given the time I have is a very tall order. "Being quiet, watching the water, location, moving onto fish, getting a good drop, and my own water craft" are simple pre-requisites on such waters. Without them you'd blank all year. Each to their own mate. For me the ultimate feeding trigger (in terms of boiled baits) is the key aminos released as the proteins in a well balanced active bait break down. You cannot achieve that with soya and flavouring. But ultimately I think confidence goes a long way to being successful so if you're happy with the bait you use and you're happy with your results then none of the above matters 👍 P.S. The way you babble on about 'debate' when you clearly really struggle to reply to anyone without sounding condescending and patronizing will not win you any friends Dicky.

Sorry mate, stop trying to pick holes; I have seen it and done it on Earith. That amount. No other bait produced, the fish wanted the bait, and would not take other baits other angler's fished. They may have eaten other angler's baits, but were not preoccupied enough to take the hookbait. They may well have eaten natural food, but if you wanted to catch then the only bait that produced was a version of Trigga. Sorry, simples! Seeds do not produce the addiction of tigers and peanuts. They produce pre-occupation at the time, they may well avoid larger baits while eating them. I have seen carp feed on hemp alone, leaving tares that were fished with them, but sometimes they will pick up other foods. As for a fishery, I hate to tell you, I used to run them for a living, so understand the biology and ecology. I understand 'survival over health'. Carp try to survive, in an overstocked water they have NO CHOICE but to eat everything, anglers bait. Survival is their first choice. You really are ignoring that type of water, and even confirming exactly what I said. If you have an overstocked water, reduce the biomass of fish, take it down to an acceptable level. If the water can naturally support 800lb of fish then taking it down to 600lb will provide room for them to grow. Commercial waters can't take it down to 'understocked', they need anglers fishing and catching.

You are ignoring the type of water, and parts of the whole of nutrition. I know that Tim Paisley DID fish against other baits at Waveney on his trips there, his bait had to compete against local angler's, some of whom were researching baits (at Lowestoft Fish Research) and holidaymakers. I know that Premier Baits in the 1990's were out fishing other baits on the Darenth complex. Savay, Kevin Maddocks, Rod Hutchinson and Andy Little, good baits out fishing other angler's. On Earith the bait that Bruce and I had outfished other baits to other angler's, AND hi-vi's and hi-attract that we fished at times to try to provoke a take in colder weather. Other anglers to get takes had to go buy a bag of Trigga, I kid you not. Bruce and my bait was Trigga with a twist... This thing about nutrition and tiger nuts (and peanuts); the nuts themselves are addictive to carp, they will eat them to the exclusion of other baits, until death. They contain very little useable nutrition, only that that can be digested off the surface. In nutrition, the FIRST requirement is energy, whether that is provided by protein, fat or carbohydrates. YOU need the energy to digest the rest of your food, as do carp. Most waters are overstocked, the fish NEED to eat bait to survive, and that is any bait that goes in. There are very few waters now rich enough in natural food to support the fish stocks present in them. Baits also work in conjunction with other baits. Particles provide energy, vegetable fats and carbohydrates, higher protein boilies provide protein. You have this thing for fishmeal; a very good ingredient, it is high in protein, useable animal protein, providing almost every required amino acid. It is an attractor in its own right, it is why fishmeal boilies work so well. Vegetable, nut (legume) meal even maize meal do not provide as good as useable protein, they are missing a few required amino acids. There is one non meat protein that contains every essential amino acid, and that is yeast. As for Cell, a bird food and coconut base with a yeast background. Ring a bell here? The amount of protein does not need to be massively high, the days of 45/50% are long gone. As an example, humans need no more than 75grammes of protein a day. As anglers a kilo of food source boilies need not provide anymore protein than 300grams, and it is likely that kilo will be shared by more than 1 fish! Protein is required for tissue repair and growth. If carp don't get enough protein then they cannot grow to their maximum. There are many waters full of carp no bigger than double figures, simply because: a) there are too many fish, b) they aren't getting enough food to grow. Provide a better bait or thin the numbers they will start to grow, unless they have become permanently stunted.