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This question is definitely taboo in my house !!!

Possibly, but then again if it was done in a single process i.e front drag,quick turn less than 5mm, i get it i do just seems alot more hassle than its worth, yes horses for courses, don't like the horse! Ha ha Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk

Simply superb! Taken off subline, been using this for a couple of weeks. Now this stuff vanishes from the tip out in him clear water. Spools up well, knots well, handles well. Nothing bad to say! If anyone ever again hears me say "I'm going to try a Korda line, I know everyone says they're rubbish, but they say they're good on the telly. I'm going to try one anyway!" You have my permission to come to my house, take a storm pole, and thrash me with it while shouting "there are better lines than Korda" over and over again. Anyway.....

ESP . The green boilie pult is the nuts and the orange one for corn/particles . Best I've ever used by miles.

Don't even want to consider the answer to that question!

You forgot.............SIMPLES !

I liken it to making your own Bread, A novilty to start with but let someone else put in the hard work and you just part with the cash

I can see it being cheaper depending on what you're using. I'm about to start a bit of home made bait making, but it's not for the saving really. I reckon I can get it to about a fiver a kg, and that's by buying a quality base mix, rather than all the ingredients, but it'll take a few kilos before I've covered what I spent today on table/sausage gun, etc. If you use mainline and buy by the kilo from a tackle shop, and go onto making your own from individually sources ingredients you could save a lot. If you have a good bulk supplier of pre mades and go on to roll mainline base mixes with their activators it'll be more. Depends what you get currently and what you plan to roll. My plan is to empty my syndi on a home made bait and not tell anyone what it is until end of the season! Just for a laugh! Mwahaha!

its just that to me its seems like your statements are coming from the angle of someone who has never used the bait runner as it should be used. i set my bait runner to suit the situation, relatively tight where there could be a danger of snags and just so i can feed line off in open water, the front clutch/ fighting drag i set so i have to pull reasonably hard to give line and unless i have a really hard fighting fish on thats how it stays. as i reach down for the rod on a take i extend my index finger and just touch the runner lever and that knocks it off before i have even gripped the rod. the above suits my style of fishing so well that i have not needed to alter either clutch more than a dozen times in the last two years and i have also NEVER used it freespool style and also there is no need to have a quick crank of the handle. as you say horses for courses, but the trick is being able to ride that horse

I always took Free Spooling as a figure of speech, I've never actually free spooled as such, there's always a certain amount of tension but it's still looser than the front playing drag

I use bait runners but don't engage the drag by turning the handle, I use the switch on the back. That is surely the quickest option?

What about centre pins..?! Lol

Yes it was, try now bud.

Like I say, my fishing grew with bait runners, it's what I'm used too.

That entirely depends fella, far gone are the days of saving money making your own, you'd be better thinking it gives you the chance to use something unique, something different from the masses. You can save money, but with the quantities you by and trying to make it as good as the bigger guys you probably won't notice a lot of difference

Why did it censor that word? Odd Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk

Phil Sorry if this teaches you to such eggs but Bait runners have two clutches, One for the playing fish One for that first initial take They have a front and rear drag, Others The front drag does both jobs, ie Playing fish and that first initial take. Bait runners use the handle to change from the initial take clutch to the playing fish clutch, each one can have it's own setting. Others, you adjust the front drag The only difference between the two is one uses the handle to switch over the other is switched over by you, using the front drag. As I've said, both are exactly the same in principle but they both use a different mechanism to achieve the same goal. Anglers can let a fish run on both bait runners and other reels, they still both have to be activated by the angler. Some people prefer the handle method, some people prefer the front drag method, it's the same. Both sets of anglers can be irresponsible, and it's the angler that is the problem not the reel.

Shall i pm you my details then Nick lol Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

I haven't been over there since my season on there during my last posts. I do know that the year after a few lads did a deal with one of the rangers to be allowed to fish the nature reserve and moved the ones they caught in to Mill and the North, If my memory serves me right 3 went into Mill and 2 Into North. There is also a rumour that the bailiff over at the Rotary peed a lot of members off and one of them caught the big'un and moved it into North.....which would match up with a mate that fished North and spotted something large on a few occasions. But I'd go on Mill still, lovely little lake.Well worth taking your rods.

Yonny,I think you prefer frozen baits wherever possible, but do you think shelfies are nearly as good as frozen now? Some baits from various manufacturers are exactly the same recipe from frozen to shelf life, is it just the preserve 'dip' that makes them different? In fact some bait companies release some baits in a shelf life only. What are your thoughts on these? Some glugs, like Marine 17 will coat shelfies, as well as frozen.

I guess Bait runners are for Noddys and us really good mega anglers use Big pits . I have Bait runners and used many years ago, then i could not imagine ever using anything else , Big pits seemed to much faffing around , i now have Big pits and have been using them for years and now could not imagine using bait runners again. They are both as good as one another and do the same job equally as well, IMO its just personal choice.

If you had adopted that train of thought to begin with i imagine the post wouldn't now exist

Somebody get out of bed the wrong side? How is my post argumentative or contentious??? Obviously you don't know me or have read any of my posts. Yes i don't agree with completely free spool, this forum doesn't give you the right to say im argumentative or contentious, everyone has the right to their own opinion Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk

Anyway What happened to just buying something because you like it, I don't get this having to have a reason for every purchase, if you like it, buy it

The reels people use for angling aren't all designed with carp in mind. Predators being a prime example where resistance in your setup can cause them to drop the bait. Bait runners have been adopted by carp anglers but it's not the style of fishing they were originally designed for. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

You've answered your own question there fella. The point in a baitrunner is you don't have to do that. I agree with chillfactor, it makes little difference if you use a baitrunner or front drag - different mechanism, same result.

What you describe is the incorrect use of a baitrunner, usually by novice anglers. Having the baitrunner set so loose that yards and yards of line are taken with no resistance before the rod is picked up is just daft. Unless fishing extremely close in, the baitrunner should yeild line but not so loose as you let the carp run for miles. it should yield line 'begrudgingly'. During the day when you are sat near the rods and awake, there is no need to yield much line at all...

my fishing is not all about sitting on my rods, tensed over and getting stressed over every little twitch of the indicators, its about relaxing and unwinding. i dont knowingly fish snags either, for the most part when static i fish open water in the day and margins at night so yes i do rely on my bait runner to stop my rods going in. but then, thats just me

The systems have the same point they do the same job . My local water got really weedy last year , I was fishing over the back of it . I found on takes going away from me picking up the rod & letting the fish run just far enough away from the bank of weed ,then lifting into it far better than pulling them straight into the thick weed while there still low in the water . If they decided not to head for the weed didn't see the point in pulling them straight back towards it an encourage them to do so . Seemed to work for me Phil .

Personally don't see any difference between the two systems, both are adjustable. There are some fishing situations where I would let the fish run away from me a bit longer. But thats more about knowing your lake subsurface.