A section for bait boats

[elmoputney]

3 hours ago, framey said:

Surely if a bait boat is good enough for Terry then that makes it ok for everyone to use.

Yep certainly a useful tool. 

[jules007]

the gopro or action camera can send live video using a transmitter called a VTX from RC FPV so live view real time to a small colour monitor. Im tempted to get one of the super cheap bait boats and fit a clear panel in the hull to mount live view action cam to

[elmoputney]

36 minutes ago, jules007 said:

the gopro or action camera can send live video using a transmitter called a VTX from RC FPV so live view real time to a small colour monitor. Im tempted to get one of the super cheap bait boats and fit a clear panel in the hull to mount live view action cam to

Not sure how effective that would be unless it's shallow and gin clear. If you want to see the bottom you probably want a winch cam of some sort. 

[kevtaylor]

On 11/11/2024 at 12:51, elmoputney said:

Having seen what I saw yesterday a decent angler with a bait boat can certainly do things you can't with a rod and line, I watched someone drop a good handful of bait and rig on an actual bin lid sized gravel spot at about 28 wraps in open water, you wouldn't even find that spot with a lead I don't think, if you did you would probably give up before you found it again. certainly made me regret selling mine a bit. He had a winch camera on it, was pretty amazing to see what lies beneath tbh. 

I spoke to a guy on Kingfisher he had the RT4 with winch camera, was finding tiny spots in the weed and dropping, checking the drop and bait left over the next day, sounded mega tbh

Then the fact that he'd had no takes in about 50-60 nights doing this!

Makes me think that instincts and observation had given way to pure technology and he probably wouldn't improve his results if carrying on like this.

I love having my boat for the right situation but only taken it once this year.  The thing that stands out to me is how small a trap you can make, accurately fishing over half a handful isn't easily achievable.  For every spod that doesn't land bang on I put another 2 in lol 1 becomes 6 or a bucket 🤣

Edited Tuesday at 10:31 by kevtaylor

[elmoputney]

15 minutes ago, kevtaylor said:

I spoke to a guy on Kingfisher he had the RT4 with winch camera, was finding tiny spots in the weed and dropping, checking the drop and bait left over the next day, sounded mega tbh

Then the fact that he'd had no takes in about 50-60 nights doing this!

Makes me think that instincts and observation had given way to pure technology and he probably wouldn't improve his results if carrying on like this.

I love having my boat for the right situation but only taken it once this year.  The thing that stands out to me is how small a trap you can make, accurately fishing over half a handful isn't easily achievable.  For every spod that doesn't land bang on I put another 2 in lol 1 becomes 6 or a bucket 🤣

Too much bait is underrated tbh, misplaced spods lead to creating a bigger spot which more carp can visit 😂

I do get what you are saying though these spots still need to develop if you don't regularly bait them, then the fish probably won't find them and keep returning. I guess that is probably where the advantage lies. It would be a lot more discreet prebaiting with a boat also, spombing in loads of bait seems hard to do without being spied on. 

In the defence of the guy that showed me he is a decent angler who would have caught them despite the boat,and he also puts more effort in than most, walks it a lot and always seems to know what's going on and he has caught a lot of the decent ones. 

[kevtaylor]

29 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

Too much bait is underrated tbh, misplaced spods lead to creating a bigger spot which more carp can visit 😂

I do get what you are saying though these spots still need to develop if you don't regularly bait them, then the fish probably won't find them and keep returning. I guess that is probably where the advantage lies. It would be a lot more discreet prebaiting with a boat also, spombing in loads of bait seems hard to do without being spied on. 

In the defence of the guy that showed me he is a decent angler who would have caught them despite the boat,and he also puts more effort in than most, walks it a lot and always seems to know what's going on and he has caught a lot of the decent ones. 

I'm thinking back to one of my first trips with a boat down to Bluebell in mid Dec, I knew the right area and spotted a small patch of tiny bubbles, took the boat out and what at first looked like a branch turned into a pile of carp.  I fished half a handful of low oil pellet a few grains of corn and about 5 squashed washed out boilies and had quite a few out, repeated it the following week.  If I'd have spombed on their heads prob too much bait and disturbance for the time of year.  I kept to the exact same amount of bait every drop.

[elmoputney]

2 hours ago, kevtaylor said:

I'm thinking back to one of my first trips with a boat down to Bluebell in mid Dec, I knew the right area and spotted a small patch of tiny bubbles, took the boat out and what at first looked like a branch turned into a pile of carp.  I fished half a handful of low oil pellet a few grains of corn and about 5 squashed washed out boilies and had quite a few out, repeated it the following week.  If I'd have spombed on their heads prob too much bait and disturbance for the time of year.  I kept to the exact same amount of bait every drop.

I can't ever just do one spomb imagine being confident that it was perfectly placed when you have factors like braid vs mono, stretch, tow, depth and judging that it landed exactly right where you put your rig. My starting point is usually at least 6. Even pulting boilies a handful nearly always turns into a couple of handfuls. 

[kevtaylor]

35 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

I can't ever just do one spomb imagine being confident that it was perfectly placed when you have factors like braid vs mono, stretch, tow, depth and judging that it landed exactly right where you put your rig. My starting point is usually at least 6. Even pulting boilies a handful nearly always turns into a couple of handfuls. 

Watching Scott Lloyd adjusting his clips through the session to allow for changes to the cross winds, that's something I'll be taking into account more, even with hitting the clip harder or bigger leads you could well still be a little short.

[framey]

The old adage comes in here 

you can always put more in but you can’t take it out 👍👍

[kevtaylor]

1 minute ago, framey said:

The old adage comes in here 

you can always put more in but you can’t take it out 👍👍

I've ruined quite a few sessions with exactly this ☝️

[framey]

12 minutes ago, kevtaylor said:

I've ruined quite a few sessions with exactly this ☝️

I think we all have if we are honest 

a buddy of mine chucked in half a 17l bucket of particle 

caught nothing 

I ground 7 boilies shared between 2 rods in  pva sticks

(i always use 7 never thought about that before.)

And I had 6.

everyone calls me tight, I just say I’m trying to catch ‘em not feed em

lol.

 

Edited Tuesday at 16:09 by framey

[elmoputney]

1 hour ago, kevtaylor said:

Watching Scott Lloyd adjusting his clips through the session to allow for changes to the cross winds, that's something I'll be taking into account more, even with hitting the clip harder or bigger leads you could well still be a little short.

I remember watching an underwater film with Rob Hughes, that was interesting really showed how it could look bang on with a marker but still be way off depending on rod angle, depth and stuff, I will try and find it and put it in the new section for you tube videos 

[elmoputney]

21 minutes ago, framey said:

I think we all have if we are honest 

a buddy of mine chucked in half a 17l bucket of particle 

caught nothing 

I ground 7 boilies shared between 2 rods in  pva sticks

(i always use 7 never thought about that before.)

And I had 6.

everyone calls me tight, I just say I’m trying to catch ‘em not feed em

lol.

 

I definately have done that lol, even last weekend I did 😂

I'm just not confident without bait around them, fishing singles seems alien to me, I just don't see how it could work lol, I know it does but it's a real leap of faith that I just can't make, I should probably work on that this winter. I've certainly got enough different pop ups to try 😂

[Carpbell3]

Baiting up is weird I took to dumping 3 to 5 kilo of hemp on one spot did alright as well that was at Ecton means a bit of dodgy wadding so I would sooner get a boat for that.

[framey]

40 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

I definately have done that lol, even last weekend I did 😂

I'm just not confident without bait around them, fishing singles seems alien to me, I just don't see how it could work lol, I know it does but it's a real leap of faith that I just can't make, I should probably work on that this winter. I've certainly got enough different pop ups to try 😂

I can’t fish a single either lol

[salokcinnodrog]

5 hours ago, kevtaylor said:

Watching Scott Lloyd adjusting his clips through the session to allow for changes to the cross winds, that's something I'll be taking into account more, even with hitting the clip harder or bigger leads you could well still be a little short.

 

4 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I remember watching an underwater film with Rob Hughes, that was interesting really showed how it could look bang on with a marker but still be way off depending on rod angle, depth and stuff, I will try and find it and put it in the new section for you tube videos 

That's something I've done sort of for years, a few steps forward or back, or even changing up lead size. There is also a difference in casting between mono and braid, and mono being elastic can come back further than you think as it retracts. 

The number of people I see wondering why they are so far away from their marker, I've always allowed around a third of the depth past it to account for swing back, although I have smashed a few Drennan or ESP markers or pike floats in the past with the lead.

6 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I can't ever just do one spomb imagine being confident that it was perfectly placed when you have factors like braid vs mono, stretch, tow, depth and judging that it landed exactly right where you put your rig. My starting point is usually at least 6. Even pulting boilies a handful nearly always turns into a couple of handfuls. 

 

4 hours ago, framey said:

The old adage comes in here 

you can always put more in but you can’t take it out 👍👍

 

4 hours ago, kevtaylor said:

I've ruined quite a few sessions with exactly this ☝️

 

4 hours ago, framey said:

I think we all have if we are honest 

a buddy of mine chucked in half a 17l bucket of particle 

caught nothing 

I ground 7 boilies shared between 2 rods in  pva sticks

(i always use 7 never thought about that before.)

And I had 6.

everyone calls me tight, I just say I’m trying to catch ‘em not feed em

lol.

 

 

4 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I definately have done that lol, even last weekend I did 😂

I'm just not confident without bait around them, fishing singles seems alien to me, I just don't see how it could work lol, I know it does but it's a real leap of faith that I just can't make, I should probably work on that this winter. I've certainly got enough different pop ups to try 😂

 

3 hours ago, Carpbell3 said:

Baiting up is weird I took to dumping 3 to 5 kilo of hemp on one spot did alright as well that was at Ecton means a bit of dodgy wadding so I would sooner get a boat for that.

Oh boy!

One night at Taverham Dave Cobbold and I put in a 10kg base mix bucket full of hemp on one spot with the original Gardner spods. The anglers on the lake were astounded and laughed, until the morning when we'd had around 10 doubles between us. 

It was Rob Hughes who said if you have an idea of how much bait to Spomb in, double it. I've frequently put in buckets full of bait for fish. On Alton tipping whole buckets in off the bridge... I loved that swim!

Funny thing is that if I caught on the bait I didn't catch on the single bait, and if I caught on the single bait I didn't catch on the bed of bait.

Every other swim I think it was all over large amounts of bait.

I've tried wading and putting bait in on the syndicate and failed, yet Spombing has worked sometimes, not every time. Stringers and throwing stick have worked. It's a case of find the fish or hope they come to you.

[elmoputney]

1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said:

 

That's something I've done sort of for years, a few steps forward or back, or even changing up lead size. There is also a difference in casting between mono and braid, and mono being elastic can come back further than you think as it retracts. 

The number of people I see wondering why they are so far away from their marker, I've always allowed around a third of the depth past it to account for swing back, although I have smashed a few Drennan or ESP markers or pike floats in the past with the lead.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh boy!

One night at Taverham Dave Cobbold and I put in a 10kg base mix bucket full of hemp on one spot with the original Gardner spods. The anglers on the lake were astounded and laughed, until the morning when we'd had around 10 doubles between us. 

It was Rob Hughes who said if you have an idea of how much bait to Spomb in, double it. I've frequently put in buckets full of bait for fish. On Alton tipping whole buckets in off the bridge... I loved that swim!

Funny thing is that if I caught on the bait I didn't catch on the single bait, and if I caught on the single bait I didn't catch on the bed of bait.

Every other swim I think it was all over large amounts of bait.

I've tried wading and putting bait in on the syndicate and failed, yet Spombing has worked sometimes, not every time. Stringers and throwing stick have worked. It's a case of find the fish or hope they come to you.

I saw Rob Hughes say that too, not sure if it was on one of those underwater ones I just added,but pretty sure it was an underwater one, it stuck with me too, one of the reasons I tend to put more out than I should, I also think about the old baiting pyramid though and get the nuisance fish interested as I think that always helps draw the carp in. 

[salokcinnodrog]

9 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I saw Rob Hughes say that too, not sure if it was on one of those underwater ones I just added,but pretty sure it was an underwater one, it stuck with me too, one of the reasons I tend to put more out than I should, I also think about the old baiting pyramid though and get the nuisance fish interested as I think that always helps draw the carp in. 

The Baiting Pyramid I remember reading about, I think was originally a Mike Wilson idea, a chapter in Rod Hutchinson's The Carp Strikes Back and articles in CarpWorld. Rob Hughes, for some reason I can't remember where it was, I think I read it in a magazine rather than on a video.

I know that at times it works, but also attracting silver fish, bream etc can also get pike sitting around the area putting everything off, or even large numbers of bream holding carp away. The pike problem has been a real issue on the syndicate.

 

[elmoputney]

1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said:

The Baiting Pyramid I remember reading about, I think was originally a Mike Wilson idea, a chapter in Rod Hutchinson's The Carp Strikes Back and articles in CarpWorld. Rob Hughes, for some reason I can't remember where it was, I think I read it in a magazine rather than on a video.

I know that at times it works, but also attracting silver fish, bream etc can also get pike sitting around the area putting everything off, or even large numbers of bream holding carp away. The pike problem has been a real issue on the syndicate.

 

I'm not saying he didn't say it elsewhere but he did say it in the PVA underwater video, I added that to the carp film library last night 😂

There are now lots of great you tube vids to look at 👍

[framey]

assess every situation

if it’s cold moody or hot just bait enough to get the bite 

then you can add more and more once the action starts.

Wasn't the baiting pyramid was a “proper pre bait tactic”

a week or so before you go Chuck it all in far and wide to get everything feeding and then get less and less feed as you got closer to fishing in more of a tighter zone then essentially feed singles and stringers

 

Edited Wednesday at 15:27 by framey

[salokcinnodrog]

2 hours ago, framey said:

assess every situation

if it’s cold moody or hot just bait enough to get the bite 

then you can add more and more once the action starts.

Wasn't the baiting pyramid was a “proper pre bait tactic”

a week or so before you go Chuck it all in far and wide to get everything feeding and then get less and less feed as you got closer to fishing in more of a tighter zone then essentially feed singles and stringers

 

Mike Wilson baited around Wilson's Island on Savay with maize for weeks, catching bream then double figure carp and prebaiting still until September and catching a 30.

[elmoputney]

Yeah it was Mike Wilson, I use a shortcut method where I just invite everything to the party and hope for the best,it always starts with rudd going nuts if you are lucky the pike don't turn up and gradually the rest start taking over and muscle in,  but maybe next year a longer strategy will get the job done next year. I also like using maize because it's cheap and effective