jh92 Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 My current setup is 3lb tc shimano tribal velocity rods paired with daiwa sportsmatic-x 5500, loaded with 15lb long chuck with a sublime tapered leader, I'm using 3.25oz - 3.5oz leads. I can get 25 wraps but I'm really to cast really hard to hit the clip, would it be worth going down to a braided shock leader as I'm sure it's the tapered leader hindering the cast as when there's a bit of side wind it starts pushing the lead with the wind and I lose distance? I'm looking at getting a set of 3.5lb tc rods for next year but is there any changes I can make while on the bank to make it a bit easier? I have a small spool of Gardner abrasion braided leader in 25lb but not if its likely to crack off? Any advice would be wicked 👍 yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 Imho changing the leader wont help that much. If it does, you'll be talking a few yards. Tbh I always found the wind can bow braid more than mono (it's lighter so easier for the wind to "take"). How far are you wanting to cast? You're spot on that it's the rods that's your main problem. Big casting is all about long, stiff rods. Get your 3.5's or even 3.75's (worth considering 12.6 or 13 ft length too) if you really want to go big, and up the lead size to 4 or 4.5. The reels are perfect as is mate. jh92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, jh92 said: My current setup is 3lb tc shimano tribal velocity rods paired with daiwa sportsmatic-x 5500, loaded with 15lb long chuck with a sublime tapered leader, I'm using 3.25oz - 3.5oz leads. I can get 25 wraps but I'm really to cast really hard to hit the clip, would it be worth going down to a braided shock leader as I'm sure it's the tapered leader hindering the cast as when there's a bit of side wind it starts pushing the lead with the wind and I lose distance? I'm looking at getting a set of 3.5lb tc rods for next year but is there any changes I can make while on the bank to make it a bit easier? I have a small spool of Gardner abrasion braided leader in 25lb but not if its likely to crack off? Any advice would be wicked 👍 25 times 3.66metres is 91.5metres, not big casting in today's world. I learnt years ago that rods are the key, and 12 feet 2.75tc rods will do it. With 2.75lb Century SP's, 15lb mainline, 30lb Amnesia leader and 3oz leads I was hitting over 125metres around the early 2000's. My current 12ft 3.25lb RH The Ones I was going even further with no leader and 3.5oz leads. Look at your rods, as @yonny says. jh92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 It's deffo about the rod I've been on 12.6ft 3.5lb rods for over 10 years now and whilst I'm not a big caster by any means they really help with distance and accuracy, noticeable from the first chuck. The braided marker rod absolutely flies - much further than I can cast mono. I'd like to try using braid on the main rods but no venue I fish allows it. Lower the BS of the mainline to 10-12lb if your using a leader and can get away with it. jh92 and yonny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh92 Posted September 10 Author Report Share Posted September 10 Thanks for the replies, I expect fishing big snowman baits ain't helping either. I would like to fish up to 30 wraps. I will try changing mainline for the next session 👍 Can anyone recommend some budget 3.5tc rods? I've been looking at the kiazen green rods, but heard they are the same blanks as daiwa black widows? I'd also be happy with second hand 👍 yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 21 minutes ago, jh92 said: Thanks for the replies, I expect fishing big snowman baits ain't helping either. I would like to fish up to 30 wraps. I will try changing mainline for the next session 👍 Can anyone recommend some budget 3.5tc rods? I've been looking at the kiazen green rods, but heard they are the same blanks as daiwa black widows? I'd also be happy with second hand 👍 Free spirit helicals are pleasing so far, I haven't really had to chuck one far yet but they feel decent and still nice to play fish on. yonny, commonly and jh92 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 43 minutes ago, jh92 said: Can anyone recommend some budget 3.5tc rods? I did a casting tuition with Terry Edmonds and he said the The Shimano Velocity 13 ft 3.5 TC, and the Fox Horizon 13 ft 3.5 TC (the cheapest version (X3?)) are the least expensive means of realising your maximum casting potential. I would expect the Kiazens to be decent too - Korda know what they're doing and very rarely release rubbish. 51 minutes ago, jh92 said: I will try changing mainline for the next session This will have a decent impact. I go down to 10/12 lb mainline with a shock-leader for spring before the weed is up. Adds quite a bit onto my cast. 53 minutes ago, jh92 said: I expect fishing big snowman baits ain't helping either. For sure. Maybe drop down to a wafter? Don't go too small as you need a bit of weight in the hookbait to prevent tangles when chucking long. elmoputney and jh92 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh92 Posted September 10 Author Report Share Posted September 10 58 minutes ago, elmoputney said: Free spirit helicals are pleasing so far, I haven't really had to chuck one far yet but they feel decent and still nice to play fish on. 27 minutes ago, yonny said: I did a casting tuition with Terry Edmonds and he said the The Shimano Velocity 13 ft 3.5 TC, and the Fox Horizon 13 ft 3.5 TC (the cheapest version (X3?)) are the least expensive means of realising your maximum casting potential. I would expect the Kiazens to be decent too - Korda know what they're doing and very rarely release rubbish. This will have a decent impact. I go down to 10/12 lb mainline with a shock-leader for spring before the weed is up. Adds quite a bit onto my cast. For sure. Maybe drop down to a wafter? Don't go too small as you need a bit of weight in the hookbait to prevent tangles when chucking long. I will have a look and see what I can get 👍 is 13ft a must? For the water I'm on at the moment I'm doing really well with big baits and I'd like to say I'm getting the bigger stamp of fish and avoiding the stockies and bream, so would like to keep things the same if I can 👍 I will see what lines they in my tackle shop after my session and get something thinner 👍 yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 Just now, jh92 said: is 13ft a must No.... but for the vast, vast majority of casters, 13ft will cast further. Long, stiff rods with decent technique is the key to distance. jh92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh92 Posted September 10 Author Report Share Posted September 10 4 minutes ago, yonny said: No.... but for the vast, vast majority of casters, 13ft will cast further. Long, stiff rods with decent technique is the key to distance. Okay thanks mate 👍 yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 On 10/09/2024 at 12:36, jh92 said: I will have a look and see what I can get 👍 is 13ft a must? For the water I'm on at the moment I'm doing really well with big baits and I'd like to say I'm getting the bigger stamp of fish and avoiding the stockies and bream, so would like to keep things the same if I can 👍 I will see what lines they in my tackle shop after my session and get something thinner 👍 12ft rods can do it, so no 13ft is not an essential. A lot of 15lb lines rated at 15lb have a diameter of 0.38-0.40mm, in reality they are actually 18 or even 20lb lines. Look at lines with a 0.35mm diameter or finer. I'm comfortable giving Gardner Pro 15lb the big chuck as it stands, whereas with 15lb Daiwa Sensor I have a shockleader, it doesn't take a big chuck as well, however to get 110metres I would look and practice with and without a shockleader until you are comfortable knowing whether you need it or not. As much as I prefer the local Tackle shops, I had to get Gardner Pro online a few weeks ago, with carriage I paid £13.50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Wasn’t the shimano tx1 or 2 quite regard as a good distance rod for not a lot of money the stepped up may be the one I honestly cant remember… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 12 hours ago, framey said: Wasn’t the shimano tx1 or 2 quite regard as a good distance rod for not a lot of money It was, but they don't do them anymore. I think the X3 is the equivalent nowadays. framey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 5 hours ago, yonny said: It was, but they don't do them anymore. I think the X3 is the equivalent nowadays. they have bought out an updated version with all black fittings and stuff I noticed them the other day. https://johnsonrosstackle.co.uk/shimano-carp-rods/27514-89330-shimano-tx2-a-carp-rods.html#/4341,choose,13ft-intensity-35lb yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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