Supermarket type liquids

[framey]

34 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said:

I remember reading it somewhere, and it is going to bug me where I read it. I think that the other protein source may have been lactalbumin. I know that there is an Andy Little chapter on Savay in Chris Turnbull's Big Fish From Famous Waters, on how he was putting in massive amounts of bait at range and killing catapults regularly. The maple flavour, one that worked best at high levels.

Kempastini book of baits?

he had a guest section in there with recipes 

or could it have been Andy little’ book the complete angler?

Edited Thursday at 13:29 by framey

[emmcee]

22 hours ago, Ginger9991 said:

Finding this post super interesting!

I have recently started glugging pellets with fish sauce, got a bit bucket that i have been adding fish sauce to every few days for probably near a month now so they are about ready.

What i do want some advice on if possible is Squid hydro liquid, I have just brought some from Bacarel, for some reason i expected it to be thick which it isnt, so im just wondering how to use this as a boilie soak, more the ratios. The plan is (or usually is) to pre soak the boilies in water before i go, usually in salt, if im adding the squid hydro should i just be adding it to the water? is a cap full enough or should i be adding a fair bit? Any advice welcome! THANKS all.

As said already I'd use it neat on my boilies.  In fact I used to use the tuna goo from Bacarel as a soak. 500ml in a 10kg bag and I'd turn the bag regularly.  

Ive also used the crab and the squid in the same way. The crab is a very thin liquid. I found the tuna to be the best one by far. 

[OldBoy]

Hmm, bugging me now too! 😃

Never mind, probably all secret stuff has long gone now.... err to much social media?

I still like my day sessions at a local lake complex, can't be bothered with the latest 'wonder hookbaits' etc, still think it is a location thing.

Mind you, I am now getting fiddling around with a method mix, not sure many now use this for carp fishing?

[yonny]

1 hour ago, emmcee said:

As said already I'd use it neat on my boilies.

Me too, depending on what I'm trying to achieve.

A decent bait shouldn't need boosting as such imo. If the carp find a decent bait, they should eat it. If they don't, it's the wrong bait or the wrong time of year. For me, the purpose of glugging in hydros is simply to pull the carp in i.e. help them find your bait. To optimise this you want them as stacked full of those free aminos as possible - so they pump them out stronger, for longer. Mixing with water will just alleviate those food signals, and reduce the amount of time those signals are pumped out.

There is a place for water for certain applications (such as washing-in with glugs/saturating to prevent or slow down the taking on of silt for example), but for attraction you want it neat imo.

[salokcinnodrog]

3 hours ago, framey said:

Kempastini book of baits?

he had a guest section in there with recipes 

or could it have been Andy little’ book the complete angler?

 

3 hours ago, OldBoy said:

Hmm, bugging me now too! 😃

Never mind, probably all secret stuff has long gone now.... err to much social media?

I still like my day sessions at a local lake complex, can't be bothered with the latest 'wonder hookbaits' etc, still think it is a location thing.

Mind you, I am now getting fiddling around with a method mix, not sure many now use this for carp fishing?

I've not read Kempastini Book of Baits, so can't say it is in there. In Big Carp, Chris Ball chapter, I'll Let you be in My Dreams had a bait recipe for that water that Andy Little came up with.

Andy Little has written a number of articles and books, and I have read a fair few, so it could be one of them.

 

I don't know if it has been mentioned but soy sauce is something I add to particles as I soak them. I'm not a fan of salting them, and hemp adding salt in the soak stops it splitting, but soy sauce for some reason on birdfoods gives them an added kick. Then of course we have the old favourite of condensed milk on them.

 

[OldBoy]

On 03/07/2025 at 13:54, salokcinnodrog said:

I remember reading it somewhere, and it is going to bug me where I read it. I think that the other protein source may have been lactalbumin. I know that there is an Andy Little chapter on Savay in Chris Turnbull's Big Fish From Famous Waters, on how he was putting in massive amounts of bait at range and killing catapults regularly. The maple flavour, one that worked best at high levels.

I found this last night in the  Andy Little book 'My Passion For Carp' page 58:

"The bait I used was very similar to the one I had used at Darenth during the previous winter........... I had slightly changed the original nix of Casien, Lactalbumin, Calcium Casinate and Gluten etc. In the new mix I substituted some of the lighter milk protiens with Semolina........ ended up with a heavier Casein, Semolina and Gluten"

Goes on to say it had a maple flavour, 20ml in a 10oz mix!! also says he used to add granulated sugar in boiling water as a sweetner!

 

Sorry if way off original topic, but hope it was informative?

[jh92]

12 hours ago, OldBoy said:

I found this last night in the  Andy Little book 'My Passion For Carp' page 58:

"The bait I used was very similar to the one I had used at Darenth during the previous winter........... I had slightly changed the original nix of Casien, Lactalbumin, Calcium Casinate and Gluten etc. In the new mix I substituted some of the lighter milk protiens with Semolina........ ended up with a heavier Casein, Semolina and Gluten"

Goes on to say it had a maple flavour, 20ml in a 10oz mix!! also says he used to add granulated sugar in boiling water as a sweetner!

 

Sorry if way off original topic, but hope it was informative?

Boiling with sugar and water sounds interesting, do you think the boilies take on the sweetness?

I remember reading somewhere about using garlic cloves in your boiling water 👍

[salokcinnodrog]

4 hours ago, jh92 said:

Boiling with sugar and water sounds interesting, do you think the boilies take on the sweetness?

I remember reading somewhere about using garlic cloves in your boiling water 👍

It's how a lot of boilies are being made shelf life now, a mix of glycerine, sugar and boiling water before drying. The glycerine stops the boilies from drying totally and with the sugar is I think an attractor.

[jh92]

10 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

It's how a lot of boilies are being made shelf life now, a mix of glycerine, sugar and boiling water before drying. The glycerine stops the boilies from drying totally and with the sugar is I think an attractor.

Thanks mate, that's deffo some food for thought, I've been thinking of rolling a shelf life bait, had a little look into preservatives but never got round to it, easier just to put them in the freezer 🤣

I've seen a few companies are now storing their baits in rock salt as a shelf life. Any thoughts on that? 

Speaking of salt, seen a couple lads spombing pure rock salt onto a spot, surely there's only so much you can put out before it becomes harmful for them?

[salokcinnodrog]

26 minutes ago, jh92 said:

Thanks mate, that's deffo some food for thought, I've been thinking of rolling a shelf life bait, had a little look into preservatives but never got round to it, easier just to put them in the freezer 🤣

I've seen a few companies are now storing their baits in rock salt as a shelf life. Any thoughts on that? 

Speaking of salt, seen a couple lads spombing pure rock salt onto a spot, surely there's only so much you can put out before it becomes harmful for them?

The joys of media...

 I worry about how much salt I put into my bait. This spodding neat salt into the water really worries me, as salt does not 'go away'. Putting it in neat when we don't know the full effects. Salt will kill micro-organisms and various water life. I cannot remember which university, but from research,  1 teaspoon of salt can pollute 5 gallons of water permanently, which can ruin freshwater ecosystems. Even more amusing is that table salt is possibly a repellant. The best level in carp diet of salt is 1.5%.

The shelf life versus freezer baits, no matter what I do when I make bait, I nearly always dry it for 24hours and then freeze it. I've tried totally airdrying them until all moisture is evaporated. No matter how good the preservatives, sometimes mould gets in. I've had foods and baits all go mouldy, despite being supposedly dried or preserved. 

The airdried bait is a strange one that confuses people. It is rock hard, but draws water in faster than baits with moisture as in either frozen and thawed or shelf life. As a result, they go softer quicker. They do not go as far with a throwing stick or catapult, they are lighter.

I am sure it was Shaun Harrison who came up with or wrote about 'washing' attraction back into dried boilies, using hemp or particles juice. This is almost the predecessor of our fishing on the posts of this thread.

[jh92]

On 05/07/2025 at 10:41, salokcinnodrog said:

The joys of media...

 I worry about how much salt I put into my bait. This spodding neat salt into the water really worries me, as salt does not 'go away'. Putting it in neat when we don't know the full effects. Salt will kill micro-organisms and various water life. I cannot remember which university, but from research,  1 teaspoon of salt can pollute 5 gallons of water permanently, which can ruin freshwater ecosystems. Even more amusing is that table salt is possibly a repellant. The best level in carp diet of salt is 1.5%.

The shelf life versus freezer baits, no matter what I do when I make bait, I nearly always dry it for 24hours and then freeze it. I've tried totally airdrying them until all moisture is evaporated. No matter how good the preservatives, sometimes mould gets in. I've had foods and baits all go mouldy, despite being supposedly dried or preserved. 

The airdried bait is a strange one that confuses people. It is rock hard, but draws water in faster than baits with moisture as in either frozen and thawed or shelf life. As a result, they go softer quicker. They do not go as far with a throwing stick or catapult, they are lighter.

I am sure it was Shaun Harrison who came up with or wrote about 'washing' attraction back into dried boilies, using hemp or particles juice. This is almost the predecessor of our fishing on the posts of this thread.

Interesting mate, I'm gonna have a look and see what I can find on it 👍

 

Just bought a bottle of this

Any suggestions on how much to put with a kilo of boilie?

[framey]

It doesn’t matter as it’s a natural product and can’t be overdone

I would just put a slug of it in

[elmoputney]

4 hours ago, jh92 said:

Interesting mate, I'm gonna have a look and see what I can find on it 👍

 

Just bought a bottle of this

Any suggestions on how much to put with a kilo of boilie?

I would just coat them in a bucket so they have a good glaze, then let them soak it all in and repeat as necessary. 

I think I overdid it in my spod mix this weekend. I probably put half a bottle in and it made it honk. And smell a bit sour. 

[yonny]

13 hours ago, framey said:

I would just put a slug of it in

This 👆

17 hours ago, jh92 said:

Any suggestions on how much to put with a kilo of boilie?

I tend to split my baits into kilo bags before freezing. When I take them out I'll put in a healthy glug of this stuff, enough to coat them plus a bit extra, and let them soak it up during defrosting. The stuff is stacked so full of salt it actually acts as a preservative so the baits will last a little longer on the bank. It's also a good method of giving the baits that softer washed-out consistency without compromising on attraction.