chillfactor Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 Deadly 😉 commonly, Machali and snowmanstevo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machali Posted July 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, chillfactor said: Deadly 😉 Very simple  Can i use pop-up for it? Or is better use zig foam? commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmanstevo Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 Zig foam..... white on top.... dark on bottom....... just as deadly,they can’t help themselves 😉😬😎🎣 chillfactor, commonly and Machali 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 8 hours ago, chillfactor said: Deadly 😉 Literally where he's fishing! A polish guy I know said they prefer the smaller carp to eat, is that the same in Portugal Macali? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machali Posted July 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 1 hour ago, commonly said: Literally where he's fishing! A polish guy I know said they prefer the smaller carp to eat, is that the same in Portugal Macali? I have know idea about it 😕 I believe that is a question of mindset. commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Paws Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 Due to the interest of this subject, I've attached a photo of my dry zig mix. Tesco Porridge Oats cost £2.05 for a 2 kg bag and the ground mix is in the ice cream tub. I mix it with some Mainline Zig Soup which at £13.99 for a 4 kg bag is used more sparingly! I got the grinder off the net a while back and think I paid about £25 for it but should pay for itself reasonably quickly. Machali 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machali Posted July 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Golden Paws said: Due to the interest of this subject, I've attached a photo of my dry zig mix. Tesco Porridge Oats cost £2.05 for a 2 kg bag and the ground mix is in the ice cream tub. I mix it with some Mainline Zig Soup which at £13.99 for a 4 kg bag is used more sparingly! I got the grinder off the net a while back and think I paid about £25 for it but should pay for itself reasonably quickly. Thanks! I'll keep it for future my attempts with zigs :) You use it to create a "cloud" of food around the zig right? Edited July 7, 2019 by Machali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Paws Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 Yes, that's the idea. A sloppy mix will stay in the upper layers for quite a while. Keep the area topped up every 5 to 10 minutes to let the fish know where to come. Machali 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 17 hours ago, snowmanstevo said: Zig foam..... white on top.... dark on bottom....... just as deadly,they can’t help themselves 😉😬😎🎣  Agree stevo .... black & white is the go to . But that day couldn't get a take so played about with different combos, that little slice of orange did the trick that day , so definitely worth keeping busy & making things happen for anyone just getting into zigs . yonny, commonly, finchey and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 All colours work in their day but I've found the bigguns always come to plain old black. commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Do good choice of colours not vary due to water clarity, that's been my general thoughts lately tbh when considering pop ups but I thought black stood out if the fish are looking up to it from below as it's the most contrasting colour to the light from the sky,  commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Black always at the bottom of what ever combo as it would be in shadow & as you point out will silhouette against the sky  . The colour change is more to do with matching the hatch on the day. elmoputney and commonly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 On 08/07/2019 at 11:18, yonny said: All colours work in their day but I've found the bigguns always come to plain old black. Do you use a zig aligner yonny? If not would you be so keen nd as to let me know your hook arrangement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, commonly said: Do you use a zig aligner yonny? I have used them but found they're no more effective than a standard piece of foam on a hair. I normally tie a bog standard hair rig of 7 turns with a tiny piece of shrink tube over the eye to hold the gape open mate. Little piece of black foam maybe 10 mm in size. Dead easy. snowmanstevo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 Size 6? So you just side hook the foam? I found aligners split and didn't seem to sit so well, similarly bands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmanstevo Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, commonly said: Size 6? So you just side hook the foam? I found aligners split and didn't seem to sit so well, similarly bands. I’m the same as Yonny....... tie hair,put foam on put a tiny piece of silicone on thread hook on and thru the silicone have zig tight to the top of the hook and held in place with silicone whip hook on (seven is my lucky number) tiny bit of shrink tube over the eye anti tangle sleeve then tie to swivel........ always done ok for me and by squeezing the foam you can change colours quite easily if one isn’t working commonly and yonny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, commonly said: Size 6? So you just side hook the foam? Yes, size 6. No side hooking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machali Posted July 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 Thanks you all mates! Now i have some ideas to work with zigs, ready for my first attempt next week :) Unfortunately i can't find a place in Portugal to buy zig foam. I'll have to buy it from Amazon. Fluorocarbon is a good choice to use as hooklink?  commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Machali said: Thanks you all mates! Now i have some ideas to work with zigs, ready for my first attempt next week Unfortunately i can't find a place in Portugal to buy zig foam. I'll have to buy it from Amazon. Fluorocarbon is a good choice to use as hooklink?  I would avoid fluorocarbon as a hooklink because it sinks more and faster than mono, most definitely heavier than water.  I would actually use a surface or neutral fishing monofilament like Drennan Double Strength, Drennan Fly Leader. Machali and commonly 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machali Posted July 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said: I would avoid fluorocarbon as a hooklink because it sinks more and faster than mono, most definitely heavier than water.  I would actually use a surface or neutral fishing monofilament like Drennan Double Strength, Drennan Fly Leader. I thought on fluorocarbon because is "invisible" under water, but it's a sinking line, and i don't want to use zigs in the place of boilies  Thanks for your help! I'll do a simple set-up for it. Running lead (between two bead stops) ->  swivel -> an anti-tangle sleeve ->  hooklink -> size 6 wide-gape hook -> bit of foam. Anything more? commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, Machali said: Anything more? If you can get hold of it try Rig Marole Specimon zig/floater hooklink. Very, very good stuff. commonly and Machali 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 Got that in 10lb, very strong and thin diameter. I'm gutted! got to the lake someone in my usual spot. Went in another spot, fish cruising, 10-11ft deep!! I was expecting the usual 4-5 ft. No zig float, tried long lengths very awkward due to overhangs and lilies, so I'm experimenting with a pike float!! 🤣 🤞I'll have a pic or two to post when I get back Sunday. snowmanstevo, Machali and yonny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 Couldn't you coil up the zigs a bit and then using some PVA tape or string, tie them up then it melts and rises to the proper depth that may help with the cast crusian, commonly and Machali 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigewoodcock Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Machali said: Thanks you all mates! Now i have some ideas to work with zigs, ready for my first attempt next week Unfortunately i can't find a place in Portugal to buy zig foam. I'll have to buy it from Amazon. Fluorocarbon is a good choice to use as hooklink?  Should be plenty of foam you can use in Portugal. Just think of all those flip flops in the beach shops!!!! Machali and snowmanstevo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machali Posted July 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 hours ago, commonly said: Got that in 10lb, very strong and thin diameter. I'm gutted! got to the lake someone in my usual spot. Went in another spot, fish cruising, 10-11ft deep!! I was expecting the usual 4-5 ft. No zig float, tried long lengths very awkward due to overhangs and lilies, so I'm experimenting with a pike float!! 🤣 🤞I'll have a pic or two to post when I get back Sunday. Waiting for those photos  7 minutes ago, nigewoodcock said: Should be plenty of foam you can use in Portugal. Just think of all those flip flops in the beach shops!!!! Is the same material? Awesome, i may have 20 stores in my city selling flip flops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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