commonly Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 Do they own or rent it? Have they tried a EA or local authority, business loan/grant? My friend rents 2 small lakes from local council, they just spent alot of money on the damns. They haven't even put his rent up. There are several good fish farms local to me. Fry upto 40+ lb, give it 5_10 years it could / should get back to form. + fencing obviously. How big is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 We would of fenced it years ago if possible.... unfortunately it isn't fella . commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Brutal @chillfactor. That's a real shame mate. Gutted for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigewoodcock Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 11/01/2019 at 18:18, chillfactor said: Well lads what can I say , very depressing day to be an angler ! Absolutely no big fish left so the common above has been had this winter as I spotted it in the summer . Even the small amount of fish left the majority of them had half a tail . So from my findings today if your on a water getting hit hard by otters in a few years there be nothing left & what is will more likely be damaged . The future looks proper grim ! Horrid mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Dannygooner said: Mate that is depressing. I was on a local riverway today roving with a light quiver. Looking for chub. It's the water I mentioned the other day that clubs gave up due to otters feasting on its stock. Need I say not even a bite. Truly baron. A dog walker passed me and we got talking. He said he used to see carcasses regularly on his walks but not anymore. The otters have had the lions share and moved on it would seem. The future really does look grim. I've seen carcasses round my local reservoir too ,of decent fish . Three to date. They've cleared out two park ponds I used to frequent. Angling in the uk could be left in a sorry state. I own a little stretch of river used to love taking my boy down there to fish for brownies & silver's ... nothing much left in there now . I think your right about angling in the UK , but it's not "could be" it will be mate ...it's already started as you know from first hand experience. Donnygooner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 Well documented on here, but this is my most important capture......my first "White Cottage" fish after 15 months of blanks, blanks, blanks without so much as a beep!! Caught in January of last year, 27lbs. Not my biggest, but certainly meant the world to me. Dave Hedgehog, chillfactor, kevtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 23 hours ago, yonny said: Brutal @chillfactor. That's a real shame mate. Gutted for you. Brutals the right word mate.... moved 6 fish from that lake to a small pond around half acre , literally in someone's back garden tge kitchen window looks over it ... about 4-5 miles away from the lake . they didn't last a night Four of them on the bank the next morning . Unbelievable commonly, Its-grim-up-north, yonny and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 Let's start a petition to get something done about this lads! I'm not on Facebook or the others, but surely if we pool resources we can get 100,000 names. If not for us, then our kids & theirs! ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muftyboy Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 59 minutes ago, commonly said: Let's start a petition to get something done about this lads! I'm not on Facebook or the others, but surely if we pool resources we can get 100,000 names. If not for us, then our kids & theirs! Petition has been going for ages mate. Signed it a couple of years ago. commonly and chillfactor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 Pooh!! Just found this https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/209735 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 15 hours ago, chillfactor said: they didn't last a night Four of them on the bank the next morning . Unbelievable Jesus. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpbell_ll Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Anyone got any info on how the canal network is fairing? just wondering if the otters would be put-off by a narrow man made waterway, maybe the inner city stretches could be a bit of a safe haven for larger fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Carpbell_ll said: Anyone got any info on how the canal network is fairing? just wondering if the otters would be put-off by a narrow man made waterway, maybe the inner city stretches could be a bit of a safe haven for larger fish. Plenty of signs of otters up and down Grantham canal - and very few signs of carp as a result. I'd expect similar all around the country tbh. Carpbell_ll and commonly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Carpbell_ll said: Anyone got any info on how the canal network is fairing? just wondering if the otters would be put-off by a narrow man made waterway, maybe the inner city stretches could be a bit of a safe haven for larger fish. I like your way of thinking and if these otters were not illegally hand reared then maybe inner city areas would be safer for the fish, however these damn creatures are not scared of humans and have been known to take koi from gardens in housing estates. They are on busy day ticket lakes in daylight, they have no fear of us. IMO nowhere is safe for long, they have done lakes near me that are nowhere near a water course, on paper I would have said no way will they have otters!!! yonny, commonly and Donnygooner 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 The guys I know who are up & down the country netting all winter Kev . Were at a commercial day ticket lake in Northampton last week . Turns out there's only a couple of carp left in there.... the owner couldn't believe it considering what the stock should of been . He had seen the odd patch of scales but didn't think for a minute he had been wiped out . I completely agree Kev .... it's just a matter of time for all un fenced venues the way the last 5 years has exploded compared to the previous 5 . If you have fishing in your area guys then make the most of it & cherish the captures even more . How Many of our favourite captures on this thread are already gone .... won't be just one of mine, that's for sure ! Donnygooner, commonly, kevtaylor and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil dalts Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Some of mine, some from a lake with unknown fish, some wood carving, one of the not so common larger ones and my big one! finchey, commonly, Its-grim-up-north and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 20 hours ago, yonny said: Plenty of signs of otters up and down Grantham canal - and very few signs of carp as a result. I'd expect similar all around the country tbh. Unbelievably the very day I wrote that (yesterday) just so happened to be the day I saw my first otter on Grantham Canal! Last night I was on my usual mountain bike hoon along the canal and I spotted a pair of eyes in the torch light at water level on the far side. I assumed it was a fox drinking (there's loads of foxes round here) but as I got closer it became clear exactly what it was. It had already clocked me (I use 2 x very high power lights for night biking) and as I got nearer it turned, climbed the steep bank (giving me a crystal clear look at it), and did the off into the undergrowth. I was a bit taken aback tbh.... I've seen plenty of mustelids in my time including loads of mink but this thing was bloomin' massive. I've been spotting signs of otters all last year along that stretch and didn't spot one carp in 2018 where as previously I knew exactly where they could be found. I'm basically taking that sighting as confirmation those carp are gone. Donnygooner and commonly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 I can't believe that only 12,000 people signed the petition to government to consider a cull. We need to get 100,000 Does this government realise, the amount of revenue from carping alone! Fisheries are a business & its hard enough, without the risk & high probability of loosing the stock that gets anglers on the bank. I feel most are likely to close, forcing massive price increases, to the reminder & so as usual, the wealthy can carry on regardless, whilst common folk can go love themselves! Something has to be done?? I don't buy this whole nature will balance out with the top predator now flourishing poo that is wheeled out by the tree huggers & government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, commonly said: I can't believe that only 12,000 people signed the petition to government to consider a cull. We need to get 100,000 That petition was a complete joke buddy, it was never going anywhere. It was for "For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter (Lutra- lutra)" when a license to trap and relocate (i.e. none lethal) otters is already available. They were petitioning for something that already exists! 1 hour ago, commonly said: Something has to be done?? No one is going to change things for us in the short term, we need to do it ourselves. If the waters you fish aint being fenced you need to persuade them to fence it, and assist with the costs, or walk away. The time for shouting for change is way passed, it's too late already. 3 minutes ago, Dannygooner said: What happens to the food chain if fish from the riverways dissapear also? I'm sure there are negative effects There is no "if" buddy. The rivers are almost empty already. commonly, Donnygooner and kevtaylor 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, yonny said: That petition was a complete joke buddy, it was never going anywhere. It was for "For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter (Lutra- lutra)" when a license to trap and relocate (i.e. none lethal) otters is already available. They were petitioning for something that already exists! No one is going to change things for us in the short term, we need to do it ourselves. If the waters you fish aint being fenced you need to persuade them to fence it, and assist with the costs, or walk away. The time for shouting for change is way passed, it's too late already. There is no "if" buddy. The rivers are almost empty already. Ditto all of that - well said mate. Donnygooner, commonly and yonny 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 22 hours ago, yonny said: to change things for us in the short term, we need to do it ourselves 22 hours ago, yonny said: That petition was a complete joke buddy, it was never going anywhere. It was for "For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter (Lutra- lutra)" when a license to trap and relocate (i.e. none lethal) otters is already available. They were petitioning for something that already exists Why not start a petition for lethal means of control?? Surely there's more fishermen than tree huggers?? Donnygooner and kevtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, commonly said: Why not start a petition for lethal means of control?? It's a European protected species so it's not up to our government (until Brexit anyway lol). commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Pretty sure under current law it'd be like starting a petition to make robbery legal 😂 commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commonly Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Well the otters are robbing us of our quarry. Current state of our great government, by the time it gets agreed all the fish will be gone anyway!!! I hope fishery owners take reasonable steps to manage this pest. What wiped them out before?? Do it again? yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, commonly said: What wiped them out before?? Do it again? Lethal pesticides released by man that poisoned our rivers! commonly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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