You are right things can sometimes be taken out of context, I tend to not be a person that holds grudges life's too short for that, I'm hoping that pic comes soon but I've only got about 15 carp maximum to take the bait so I'm going to have to have some luck on my side, but tonight I've taken a while but all my rods are placed well so I am fishing, I reckon one of the 10fts might even be 70 yards this is a nice open swim though which does make a nice change,