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Skee Tex used to have a factory shop that was cheeper than the tackle shops, I had a pair of the original boots years ago and at the time they were the best on the market, the liners can be removed and replaced with new ones, also it's handy for drying them out should you get a boot full of water ..if I remember correctly they were designed for going to the artic or somewhere......

The way that stuff lasts he might as well give up fishing lol....

I think you're right cyborx. I saw a post on a local selling page where a guy wanted to have all nash stuff for some reason and was swapping out his kit for nash stuff with others. Not too sure why. Maybe he wants to pretend he is sponsored by them or something?

The DXR with the vibration sensing was one of the best alarms of all time. They can't do it now as it infringes Delks patent. Battery life is awful however, you have been warned. The LXR is the same without vibration I understand. The RX is (I think) a different generation of the DXR. They're all wicked alarms. Even the old cheapo Microns were great. They just don't let you down.

Yes the lining is removable 😉* * on the skee tex ultralights that I have.....not sure about the other options in range

I got to the river for 8am, first cast with a dead roach on the float paternostered rod, and this chunky double took the bait within minutes, before I'd even rolled my first ciggie. Thinking i'd landed on them I stayed put casting around with smelt, roach and dead trout, but no more joy. Rest of the morning it got colder and colder until with the northerly wind it got quite uncomfortable. Having had a fish I packed up at 12.15. Chunky 10lb pike, todays view and Sky watching the world

Thanks B.C. ; as you know the Vass R has a fixed fur lining so your observations are very helpful .

I've got 4 x MXs and an M some going back 20 odd years and it's a fact they all work like new. Old fox alarms have to be the best all round surely, I'd go back to them without hesitation and they have been battered in all weather's- never missed a beat!

That’s my take on it. If the company has invested profit and more into designing and improving on their ideas, then they should have some protection. In some instances though, patents would be very difficult to achieve. At the end of the day, taking Yonny’s advice on buying what suits you, at what time, is the way to go. If you feel that the patented product that seems over priced from the outside is that item that you think will improve your experience on the bank, go for it. If not, don’t. I know if my boss asked me to take a pay cut because another company is paying their equivalent staff 20% less than me, I would tell him where to go! Lol

1 small pike from today that took a lamprey nearly as big as he was. Thought I was on them again to start another early take, but when this came to the bank I figured the mummas were somewhere else so kept moving swims until I had to get back Fishing in the snow and a couple of todays swims, it was bright to start!

To give balance to the thread...... whos the one ripping off customers in this scenario.... company a:- pays staff wages to designers, cad technicians, marketing team, sales team. Pays out for numerous prototypes, ironing out any problems with new product. Puts product out for testing. Resolves any issues after testing period. Etc etc etc ends up with finished product and sells for £15. After taking all the above and more into account, each unit sold draws a margin of £4.50. company b:- buys finished product above off shelf. Gets factory to copy it. Sells product for £10 making the same £6 profit per unit.

Not sure I agree with that buddy. Price point is used as a marketing tool in all industries, although I agree it's at its worst in carp angling. I would blame the tackle firms working the price point far more than I would the anglers who want decent gear. I buy whatever I think is best for the job. Sometimes it's the cheapest on the market, others it's the most expensive. It is what it is. There always has been and always will be cheaper options out there. Pays your money takes your choice. Now that I agree with 100% mate!

That is a big plus mate, and I think they sell replacement liners too. I also read that the tiny bubbles in the material they are moulded from, not only make them lightweight, but add extra insulation. Glad Crusian asked you about these, as I was going to, lol..... Almost bought a pair, then the sun came out.. but looking at next weeks weather they may well be on my shopping list soon, even for just walking the dogs atm.... I had some fur lined wellies once, non removable inners... Ok for a few trips, but soon wore out and didn't smell too good either . And I found that once your feet sweated up in them it was impossible to get them warm again.. Those Skeetex or similar look just the job.

Nice one, worth splashing out the extra £1.03.....

Out again tomorrow try another spot along the river. Saw a few roach topping there last week!

Thanks very much fellas , but now you've given me choices ! . I'll have to get myself down to a tackle shop and try both on to get the sizing right in relation to thickness of socks . In theory I'm leaning towards the Skee-Tex , because I'm thinking I could take the linings out when / if the weather warms up ? .

I seem to always find when you get a 10% discount code from AD , anything i want to buy at the time ,eg ,rods/reels/bivvys they are Always out of stock

I work in a design and development team for a furniture manufacturer and we have the means to make a prototype from idea to finished produce ready for manufacture we couldn't take a sofa from dfs and stick our label on it or they'd have us in court so fast but if dfs outsourced it to a 3rd party to design and only paid for the manufacture and didn't pay for the design process that design would belong to the 3rd part and they could sell it to any1 they choose I very much doubt that's whats happened to wychwood and aqua but it would explain why some1 can sell their exact product without feeling the wrath of the lawyers

I have some sympathy for British manufacturers, who design and build in this country, but too many big name brands have gone to the Far East, to get gear made while keeping the high price. Its also an environmental, human rights and other concern, the cargo ship coming all the way from China, the fuel to bring it that way, the risk of your container being one of four to fall into the sea every day. The child workers in the factories in China, at minimal wage, tuppence a day. I could quite happily see a couple of brand names slip from the tackle market! Some factories 'sell to the highest bidder'. One factory may make tackle for Fox, Nash, JRC etc. The brand that pays most gets their bedchairs before the next payer gets theirs. It is why sometimes there can be a shortage, as well as brands purposely holding gear back to create interest. You have as Yonny says, tackle brand owners making big profits in their own pocket yet not wanting to put money into R&D. Updated tackle, some of the new advances in tackle is a step backwards, some original gear is brilliant, yet newer models are frankly awful. I have a TFG oval brolly, I think it was £80, yet why should the same thing from Fox or Nash cost £200? Why should a Fox bedchair cost £300, when exactly the same from JRC is £150? The items are essentially the same, in some cases just a different badge! Carp tax, fishing line is fishing line, sea line is the same as fishing line, (example) yet the Fox, Korda brand is £20, compared to £9.99 for Sea fishing line. It is the same stuff!