mrmud Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 Hey everyone looking to get a sack for spodding. Hopefully something without aniseed if that's possible. Anyone got any recommendations Thans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 If you have a local feed place nearby go and have a look, I usually get a aniseed free one, I am out kids swimming now but I will have a look what it is called when I get home. mrmud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 7 hours ago, mrmud said: Hey everyone looking to get a sack for spodding. Hopefully something without aniseed if that's possible. Anyone got any recommendations Thans Pigeon conditioner is full of aniseed, it is used to 'detoxify' after racing and as a 'trapping' mix. You can get Chicken mix, chicken corn or chicken conditioner which is aniseed free, or Wild bird seed. My advice is to head into the, local animal feed suppliers and have a look around, it's obviously carriage free. If you can't, I'll try to give you a decent link. mrmud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 This is the one I use it does have maize and maples, in it so I soak it and give it a good boil also. yonny, salokcinnodrog and mrmud 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 9 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said: If you can't, I'll try to give you a decent link. 8 hours ago, elmoputney said: This is the one I use it does have maize and maples, in it so I soak it and give it a good boil also. Or @elmoputney can beat me to it with a good picture. Lots of choices for pigeon and chicken feeds mrmud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmud Posted June 9 Author Report Share Posted June 9 Cheers guys. It's a nicely priced too compared to the haiths red brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 On 09/06/2024 at 20:29, mrmud said: Cheers guys. It's a nicely priced too compared to the haiths red brand Thing with Haith's, they were probably the first mail order bird food store for aviary birds and pigeons. Then us anglers discovered them. In terms of quality, I have never bought any bad products, but as with everything cost is high compared to other animal feed suppliers. I still do get occasional bits from Haiths, but I do get birdfood from Gladwells or if I only want a small bag of a kilo or so, the supermarket**. Gladwells do a mail order service as well as the shops they have an online order page (https://gladwellspet.co.uk/), so with the link you can have a looksee online or if there is a local shop to you go in in person. ** I put the asterisks in because I have noticed that some supermarket packaging has had things printed on them like 'packaged for Sainsbury's by Haiths'. On 09/06/2024 at 01:38, mrmud said: Hey everyone looking to get a sack for spodding. Hopefully something without aniseed if that's possible. Anyone got any recommendations Thans May I also suggest mixing it with hemp. The two together can really get the fish grubbing around. I would say on a ratio of 2 parts pigeon conditioner to 1 part hemp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouchthathurt Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 Why without the aniseed mate? kevtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmud Posted June 20 Author Report Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, ouchthathurt said: Why without the aniseed mate? The ones containing aniseed seems to be what most people's are throwing in at the current venue I'm "trying to fish" and I've never seen anyone catch a carp from this venue(I've only had 3 all year so far)so I thought I'd try and use something without it and maybe the simple switch to no aniseed might be enough to trick a few to grub down 🤷🏽♂️. I have a bag of aniseed here and plan add some during boiling when I next boil some up and test them both out at the same time after a few sessions trying the plain stuff. Thanks @salokcinnodrog. Will be looking to get a sack of hemp. The stuff I got has hemp in it but not a lot. It's got 20 seeds in apparently. Bamfords multi task is what I have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 32 minutes ago, mrmud said: The ones containing aniseed seems to be what most people's are throwing in at the current venue I'm "trying to fish" and I've never seen anyone catch a carp from this venue(I've only had 3 all year so far)so I thought I'd try and use something without it and maybe the simple switch to no aniseed might be enough to trick a few to grub down 🤷🏽♂️. I have a bag of aniseed here and plan add some during boiling when I next boil some up and test them both out at the same time after a few sessions trying the plain stuff. Thanks @salokcinnodrog. Will be looking to get a sack of hemp. The stuff I got has hemp in it but not a lot. It's got 20 seeds in apparently. Bamfords multi task is what I have 1 hour ago, ouchthathurt said: Why without the aniseed mate? It might not just be down to aniseed, it could actually be the whole pigeon conditioner and hookbait. Small particles can get the fish grubbing, but quite frequently they won't take a big bait over them, a 15mm boilie is too big. It may be that you need to be using hookbaits no bigger than 10mm, or the size of say 2 grains of sweetcorn. I've had to come up with a presentation of small baits on the syndicate if I fish over particles, and that involves 2 6mm pop-ups meshed together on a Multi-rig, or the next experiment, meshed grains of hemp tied to the hook. The alternative option is to use bigger baits in your groundbait or freebies, and that's not just a few bigger boilies in your pigeon conditioner, but bigger freebies altogether. I say "bigger baits in your groundbait or freebies", but sometimes the carp will ignore the boilies themselves, so your bigger freebies may be bigger particles like maples, chick peas, kidney beans, or even just boilies as the freebies. mrmud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said: ..... it could actually be the whole pigeon conditioner..... I agree. If everyone is blanking on particle I don't think the addition or deduction of aniseed makes a bit of difference. I'd be heading over to boiled baits (in fact post spawning is when I believe boilies to be at their most effective). Or maybe naturals. Something totally different anyway. Edited June 20 by yonny mrmud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmud Posted June 20 Author Report Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said: I've had to come up with a presentation of small baits on the syndicate if I fish over particles, and that involves 2 6mm pop-ups Not fished with pop-ups that small. What size hook do you use for them on your multirig 1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said: Small particles can get the fish grubbing, but quite frequently they won't take a big bait over them, a 15mm boilie is too big. 24 minutes ago, yonny said: I agree. If everyone is blanking on particle I don't think the addition or deduction of aniseed makes a bit of difference. I'd be heading over to boiled baits (in fact post spawning is when I believe boilies to be at their most effective). Or maybe naturals. Something totally different anyway. Food for thought. Got plenty of the stuff to use up along with a sack of goat feed(vitalin replacement) and a sack of cut maize(misses got the cut instead of full maize 🤷🏽♂️). Ill try something different on one rod away from the particles. yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 2 hours ago, mrmud said: Not fished with pop-ups that small. What size hook do you use for them on your multirig I still use size 6's, and the rig is short, no more than from base of palm to tip of middle finger. I normally put the whole rig in a PVA bag of very small pellets, crushed boilies and ground breadcrumb. I spent ages making a 1egg mix of pop-ups that small! The bait is simply tied to the rig ring and lighter blobbed mrmud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmud Posted June 20 Author Report Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said: I spent ages making a 1egg mix of pop-ups that small! Making pop-ups is a whole different area I've not looked into properly yet but will look online and see what's around. 1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said: I still use size 6's, and the rig is short, no more than from base of palm to tip of middle finger. I normally put the whole rig in a PVA bag of very small pellets, crushed boilies and ground breadcrumb. Would you still use the rig for bottom baits like a few grains of maize or a boilie on a running set-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, mrmud said: Making pop-ups is a whole different area I've not looked into properly yet but will look online and see what's around. Would you still use the rig for bottom baits like a few grains of maize or a boilie on a running set-up I normally get pop-up mix from BAF. https://www.britishaquafeeds.com/pop-ups-and-wafters For normal size pop-ups I put them through a rolling table as per normal baits and boil them keeping them moving. For the tiny ones they are all done by hand. For a boilie or maize on the hook, I go back to a standard hair rig and line aligner with a rig ring on the shank. mrmud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmud Posted June 25 Author Report Share Posted June 25 @salokcinnodrog can I pick your brains again please 🙏🏼. How long can I keep the cooked particles with no preservatives. There so many differences of opinion online. I planned to go last Monday. They had the 24hrs soak and 30mins boil. After my failed attempt to get on the bank I added a bit more pond water to the cooked particles(not added anything to preserve like salt) so they were covered. I've opened them today to see if they're okay in preparation for tomorrow and the smell abit like sick(soon cleared my kitchen 😂). I know it's the fermentation process but don't know at what point they're bad I've drained n rinsed it with pond water n it doesn't smell too bad. Do you think I'm still good to use it or should I boil up the seed I got soaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 The sickly smell is when they work their best..👍👍 mrmud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmud Posted June 25 Author Report Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, framey said: The sickly smell is when they work their best..👍👍 Wish I knew that before I rinsed them. It's mad how bad it smells to us but not to the fish. How long would you say they keep as long as they're in a cool place without any preservatives(don't have alot of freezer space. The misses won't listen n keeps putting food in there 😂). I've read you can keep it until you physically can't stomach the smell Also if there's some left at the end of a session is it best to leave them as they are or cover them in water until next session or just add preservatives once boiled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh92 Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, mrmud said: Wish I knew that before I rinsed them. It's mad how bad it smells to us but not to the fish. How long would you say they keep as long as they're in a cool place without any preservatives(don't have alot of freezer space. The misses won't listen n keeps putting food in there 😂). I've read you can keep it until you physically can't stomach the smell Also if there's some left at the end of a session is it best to leave them as they are or cover them in water until next session or just add preservatives once boiled I think most particles can spoil after a while mate and can put the fish off 🤔 I prefer to use fresh, up to a few days old. I also drain/freeze it in zip lock bags, store the juices in a bottle in the freezer and when thawing out add it back to the particle with some extras. I normally use condensed milk and evaporated milk. Makes a nice cloud 👍 My particle mix at the moment is hemp, standard and jumbo tigers, whole maize and flaked maize. Jumbo tiger with a piece of pop up maize as the hook bait 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 It’s been known to scrape the mould off and still been ok think n butyric acid rancid milk and baby puke but I don’t think it’s that bad lol I had a 17l tub of pigeon conditioner brewing for about 6 weeks before. But that was a few years ago. I was still happy to use it but it’s all down to how you feel about it and if you can Stomach the smell saving grace is people tend to stay away and don’t get it over you if spodding.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 3 hours ago, mrmud said: @salokcinnodrog can I pick your brains again please 🙏🏼. How long can I keep the cooked particles with no preservatives. There so many differences of opinion online. I planned to go last Monday. They had the 24hrs soak and 30mins boil. After my failed attempt to get on the bank I added a bit more pond water to the cooked particles(not added anything to preserve like salt) so they were covered. I've opened them today to see if they're okay in preparation for tomorrow and the smell abit like sick(soon cleared my kitchen 😂). I know it's the fermentation process but don't know at what point they're bad I've drained n rinsed it with pond water n it doesn't smell too bad. Do you think I'm still good to use it or should I boil up the seed I got soaking I used to want my particles as fresh as possible, preferably still warm as I was catapulting them in. Then I fished a water with hemp I'd prepared Friday, by Sunday it seemed to get better and better as it got sticky and slimy. Pigeon conditioner is another one that as it smells a bit fermented is better. Even so, I had some that went beyond that, that I thought was off, with mould appearing on the top, so I poured it in the margins for the swans, and within a few minutes carp were on it. I simply don't take particles home, either poured on the bank to keep the swans and geese happy or prebaited. If I don't go, I end up with a bucket of bait in the freezer. In fact I've just pulled a bucket of hemp out today for use tomorrow. I've got some ice cream containers full of particles that I'll leave in until the morning for the day after. jh92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 On 20/06/2024 at 12:58, ouchthathurt said: Why without the aniseed mate? The aniseed is the only bit I'm keen on, love the smell - dont use particle much at all tbh but when I have I've caught and I put that down partly to the aniseed lol 👍😎 salokcinnodrog and mrmud 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmud Posted July 3 Author Report Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, kevtaylor said: The aniseed is the only bit I'm keen on, love the smell - dont use particle much at all tbh but when I have I've caught and I put that down partly to the aniseed lol 👍😎 If I'm honest I thought I was clever buying other stuff than what got recommended as it had more seeds but there's these red pellets in there that burn to the pan and is tainting the seed with a burnt tinge so I need to get something else. I will probably eventually try something with aniseed to compare the difference on I actually start catching. Not sure if I've been fishing or camping lately lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 15 hours ago, mrmud said: If I'm honest I thought I was clever buying other stuff than what got recommended as it had more seeds but there's these red pellets in there that burn to the pan and is tainting the seed with a burnt tinge so I need to get something else. I will probably eventually try something with aniseed to compare the difference on I actually start catching. Not sure if I've been fishing or camping lately lol Makes sense about the pellets. Not a bait expert but I know my particle mix came from Hinders, I did think it was good at that time. I've bought prepared from Kent Particles which were OK and my mate recently bought his Tigers etc from Blakes Baits. Pellets we get from British Aqua Feeds (BAF) mrmud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh92 Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 If you do go for one with aniseed in, I recommend bucktons pigeon conditioner, smells lovely when prepped 🤙 mrmud and kevtaylor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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