Smiffy25 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Now getting into carp fishing and have purchased 10lb Daiwa sensor line. I was wondering if this would be a big enough breaking strain for a lake with a stock up to 29lb? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnCarper Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 I know fish much heavier than 29Ibs has been landed with even lighter line then that. I do tend to see that alot seem to favor 12 to 15Ib line for most applications. Smiffy25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 It's not all about size of fish, how snaggy is the lake? how much weed? is there mussel beds? is there many gravel bars that could cause cut offs. I fish 15lb for most occasions because I dont know whether i'll be putting the rod in open water or next to a snag. It keeps my options open. I'd never fish anything lighter to snags because you want the abrasion resistance and extra diameter. finchey, yonny, B.C. and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Welcome to Carp.com. On snag free lakes 10lb line is fine. It is if there is loads of weed and any snags you may need higher. Smiffy25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.C. Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Personally think 10lb is a bit on the low side. ...... Even some of the smaller, scatty, male fish give the run around under the tips sometimes. And any bankside snag, they'll look for .. If you are not going to fish at range, 100yds plus, where a smaller diameter line will help you gain a few yds on the cast. Then i'd up the bs to 12 or 14lb...... Some waters will insist on higher bs of 14lb and above. You may get away with the 10lb for the next month or so... But once any weed growth or bankside foliage takes hold, I'd be looking to up the bs... Welcome to the forum. Smiffy25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy25 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Thanks for the reply’s guys. Think I’m going to go with the safer option and fish with 12-15lb as it seems to be the best option 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 6 hours ago, B.C. said: Personally think 10lb is a bit on the low side. ...... Even some of the smaller, scatty, male fish give the run around under the tips sometimes. And any bankside snag, they'll look for .. If you are not going to fish at range, 100yds plus, where a smaller diameter line will help you gain a few yds on the cast. Then i'd up the bs to 12 or 14lb...... Some waters will insist on higher bs of 14lb and above. You may get away with the 10lb for the next month or so... But once any weed growth or bankside foliage takes hold, I'd be looking to up the bs... Welcome to the forum. You'd be surprised what i've landed on 8lb line around weed and lilies😖😉 20lb from the lilies behind my right shoulder, size 10 hook, 7lb hooklink on a dog biscuit, and yes, thats Hintelsham. A very through actioned rod that was bent to the handle at times. Donnygooner, B.C. and TnCarper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 I tend to use 12lb line for my "domestic" fishing and have my spare spools loaded with 15lb for when I go to France. At the moment I am using 15lb Technium on my main rods but it's not behaving the way it usually does, maybe it's a bad batch? I'm tempted to take it off and reload my spools with the Asso line I bought the other week.It's 16lb apparently but the diameter is slightly lower than whats on them at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, smufter said: I tend to use 12lb line for my "domestic" fishing and have my spare spools loaded with 15lb for when I go to France. At the moment I am using 15lb Technium on my main rods but it's not behaving the way it usually does, maybe it's a bad batch? I'm tempted to take it off and reload my spools with the Asso line I bought the other week.It's 16lb apparently but the diameter is slightly lower than whats on them at the moment. I've heard a lot of bad things about the recent technium batches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said: You'd be surprised what i've landed on 8lb line around weed and lilies😖😉 I think fishing for carp around lilies and weed with 8lb line is verging on irresponsible Nick, no disrespect you understand buddy. For me the safest rig/set-up is the one that lands the fish - hence I always use a higher BS line. 12 hours ago, B.C. said: You may get away with the 10lb for the next month or so... But once any weed growth or bankside foliage takes hold, I'd be looking to up the bs... I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, greekskii said: I've heard a lot of bad things about the recent technium batches Mmmm. It's my favourite line usually but this stuff is proving to be a bit of a headache if I'm honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, smufter said: Mmmm. It's my favourite line usually but this stuff is proving to be a bit of a headache if I'm honest. What's up with it Smufter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) Coiling up more than usual Yonny, and spilling over the lip. Haven't loaded it any differently to usual, and not over filled. Not as supple as it usually is. My only concern with loading the Asso line is it's a bit of an "unknown" to me as far as stretch is concerned. But I've paid for it so I might as well use it! Edited March 28, 2018 by smufter yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, yonny said: I think fishing for carp around lilies and weed with 8lb line is verging on irresponsible Nick, no disrespect you understand buddy. For me the safest rig/set-up is the one that lands the fish - hence I always use a higher BS line. I agree. To be honest we hadn't even intended fishing there, had planned on going to another lake in Hadleigh, but didn't see any fish show whatsoever, and Hintelsham was on my way home. I regularly use 8lb line for floater fishing in snag free lakes, going up in weedier waters to 15lb. Yet I have only lost fish floater fishing to hookpulls, not line breakage. Lilies are actually more spread out on top than below the surface. Imagine a table, the table surface being the lilies, now imagine it standing on one leg in the middle underneath, that is basically a lily bed. The lily leaf stems are also quite easy to break, not the main root stem, but the leaves will pop free. On Taverham in weed and lilies I was using 12lb Daiwa Sensor, no tackle breakages, quite regularly. I honestly think, and it may cause some thinking, we use heavier line because of the weights we are using to cast, not because of the fish we are fishing for. An old thread, but may be of interest: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said: we use heavier line because of the weights we are using to cast, not because of the fish we are fishing for. In some cases maybe. I use a 0.40 dia. snag mono as I'm not allowed to use braid on my syndi and guys are getting cut off in the weed using even 15 lb line..... and when a forty pounder heads for the weed there's not much stopping it..... It has nowt to do with the size of the lead for me. It relates entirely to the environment and the carps ability to exploit it. chillfactor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, yonny said: In some cases maybe. I use a 0.40 dia. snag mono as I'm not allowed to use braid on my syndi and guys are getting cut off in the weed using even 15 lb line..... and when a forty pounder heads for the weed there's not much stopping it..... It has nowt to do with the size of the lead for me. It relates entirely to the environment and the carps ability to exploit it. I was cut off whilst using 20lb Sensor. There's plenty of sharp mussels in that weed. Still gutted - know it was a beast!!! chillfactor and yonny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, kevtaylor said: I was cut off whilst using 20lb Sensor. There's plenty of sharp mussels in that weed. Yup.... you just had to look at what the fully was passing through to understand why those cut-offs were happening! chillfactor and kevtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, yonny said: Yup.... you just had to look at what the fully was passing through to understand why those cut-offs were happening! Yes and if you take that further you can see that those baby mussels that are hiding in the weed through summer, cutting us off, drop into the silt gullies in the main bowl in autumn and get feasted on, which IMO is the main food source when we struggle Sept/Oct. B.C., yonny and chillfactor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said: I honestly think we use heavier line because of the weights we are using to cast, not because of the fish we are fishing for Not me Sir. I used the same weights, whether I'm fishing in the UK or France. Maximum would be 2oz but most times it's just 1oz. I up my line when I go to France purely to be on the safe side. For both mine and the fishes sake, I'd rather be using 15lb line fighting a 40 than 10 or 12. Not that I am going to "haul it in"..........but the last thing I want is for the line to give up and leave a fish with a hook hanging out of it's gob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.C. Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 hours ago, greekskii said: I've heard a lot of bad things about the recent technium batches Haven't had any probs using it (touch wood).... But did feel quite wirey/stiff whilst loading, even after a two day soak... The swims I've fished recently haven't required much of a chuck though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, B.C. said: Haven't had any probs using it (touch wood).... But did feel quite wirey/stiff whilst loading, even after a two day soak... The swims I've fished recently haven't required much of a chuck though. same as the syncro seemed to suddenly be awful. B.C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, kevtaylor said: Yes and if you take that further you can see that those baby mussels that are hiding in the weed through summer, cutting us off, drop into the silt gullies in the main bowl in autumn and get feasted on, which IMO is the main food source when we struggle Sept/Oct. Even fine grit / sand & gravel in the weed can be more than enough to cause cut offs & water snails . Must admit to being more than happy with the line yonny put me on to , it coped with those two unexpected catfish charging through lillie beds & that was a proper test for it . I always take two lines with me fishing... a casting line & a snag line , as you never know where you might find the fish . B.C. and yonny 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, chillfactor said: Even fine grit / sand & gravel in the weed can be more than enough to cause cut offs & water snails . Must admit to being more than happy with the line yonny put me on to , it coped with those two unexpected catfish charging through lillie beds & that was a proper test for it . I always take two lines with me fishing... a casting line & a snag line , as you never know where you might find the fish . I thought 20lb sensor was snag line - tough as old boots, but still not enough, can't use snag leaders. chillfactor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, kevtaylor said: I thought 20lb sensor was snag line - tough as old boots, but still not enough, can't use snag leaders. Me too mate ... just goes to show under certain conditions it's still not enough. Tubing can really help too , I've had deep cuts into tubing before would of been a cutt off for sure without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Was using tubing mate and the fish only moved a couple of yards but it was stuck fast. If I had let it run I probably would have landed it but because I was locked up it just dived into the weed to the right of the spot. Noddy mistake imo 😣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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