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I think nowadays there is so much info available there isn't a lot that should really be an issue, I've not really fished anywhere this weedy before but it isn't putting me off too much intact I am enjoying the challenge

Hope so too it's an area I've been baiting for a while now so they should be used to finding it there but last time I kept getting a lot of liners so I have decided on 2 new spots a bit closer in, the only other people fishing it are tench anglers at present but we shall see if it's unavailable there are other spots to try it's all about discovery for me at the moment so fishing a different swim isn't the end of the world I might learn something important from it

I've thinned it out a bit and left some bait on it so hopefully the fish/birds will thin it out some more for me but happy enough I'll be able to present a bait on it

Well after my exploratory pre baiting session tonight I think I might be in need of chods, pulled out about a tonne of Canadian pond weed but it still kept coming

I would just like to add my thoughts on this book , I read it a while ago but it was a great read , if you haven't read it you won't regret it ? It's up there for me alongside some of the great carp books being based local to me I could almost picture the lakes he was writing about and some of it very close to the truth an epic read and Martin is an excellent guy , he has been most helpful since I joined st Ives and regularly see him creeping around the banks, his autobiography bivvy tramping is a great read too There is a Kindle edition now btw so go forth and buy it

Now I understand it a little more i can see how it works, i don't really have any issues with it, I think if it works for you then you have created an edge that no one will probably be using, and a genuine edge is quite rare these days good stuff .my initial understanding was the lead disconnected from the washer on a take which could work if the washer didn't become a nuisance after it ejected, it could be like a running rig with an initial bolt effect

What happens to the washer when you get a take ? Does it then run free up the line ? If so I would suggest it may increase your chances of a cut off if it became snagged or weeded as that could be stuck and your line rubbing back and forth on the metal

If you can get my misses to agree to a 72 hour session you are a better man than me i have to do short sessions really as I have little ones I am lucky in that I can spend time walking the lake as it's close to me and I can get in a bit of pre baiting and area research but prepping for the trips in advance is as good as it gets for me , I think I've just got to keep baiting areas and hope it comes good in the end, and actually once I get my waders I will be able to set some super sneaky traps which they will hopefully not be able to resist and hopefully spots those chuffing birds won't find so quickly by being covert

I shall just use the baitsoak for now then and maybe when the going gets tougher resort to the goo, it's not really angler pressure on the lake I am fishing it's more locating the blooming things that's the trouble I do think a liquid will make the baits hold up better as it's silty all round

Yeah this is true or I could just use the matrix bait soak and/or the goo and save myself the hassle,would probably work better and save effort 😀 I think I've been here before, and should just let them do what they do best and use there stuff so I can concentrate on the fishing which really isn't that easy at the moment anyway Tight lines

I think a matching one would be good though as you could give all your freebies and pre baited spots the same flavour signal and at a reasonable cost, I know you could do this also with the premier goo but it would be nice to tinker with something

Im going to have a look into making my own goo, I think it can be done on the cheap and made to match flavours exactly will let you know how I get on

Interesting posts guys I am also using the matrix at present even though I've still only managed 2 tench with it I don't think it is the bait,I am confident using it, it just screams great bait tbh the smell the texture, and also I emailed Tony a few times and he has always been helpful, have either of you used the pellets before was thinking of trying those as well might have to try the goo as well now 😀

Did seem to work well, didn't get to dangle any in today though couldn't find any fish that were really up for it, other than a big shoal of randy bream,I did see one that I thought was a carp at first blooming massive old slab

I said to my daughter after cake gate, do you think it will catch me a fish today ? No Do you think daddy will ever catch a fish ? No She is nothing if not consistent

50% of my house are already moaning about the smell this morning 😬 I'm Always outnumbered but at least I got the cake

It actually looks pretty decent now it's chopped up, I think it's about time the carp god's giveth , I've been a good boy lately, I've worked hard , surely that has to count for something 😬

You will go to the ball cinderelmo 😀

Hi guys After spending a couple of hours stalking without floaters today I quickly decided I needed floaters, I didn't want to have to waste precious time going to the tackle shop tomorrow so floater cake it was, I've only done one before now and I think it may have been better than tonight's effort, it smells weird tbh ,and it hasnt really risen but if it floats I'm going angling again before work, If it doesn't I may still angle again anyway bake off may just have to wait 😀

I dunno I can sort of see the appeal imagine smearing it in paste hours of attraction in that set up

Have you tried feed stims milk b+ , I found out about them from reading a ken Townley article on the haiths site he seems to like feed stim for his additives 👍

Don't worry about playing devils advocate it's always good to see other people's opinions, I've been using the castable rake myself although generally more when prebaiting though maybe worth giving it a fresh rake at the start of a session as well to stir it up, good luck with the zigs though When I was making my own bait a while ago I bought some milky b from feed stim the smell of it is lovely so any chance to use it and I will , I've gone off bait making now though too much effort and too little time for me, plus there are lots of companies that do it better I think it's just a lack of confidence at present causing me to make changes once I get a fish or two in the net I can work on it from there

After a couple of minutes in water the wafters are throwing loads of goodness into the water, that's got to send them wild I reckon

Thanks again yonny , I've been using a lot of mixed particles lately as I went a bit nuts on deals with monster but I may just try a simple boilie approach if I get out this weekend I will try soaking them all in water and liquid first and maybe just feed little and often and have a different hookbait on each rod to see if any work best, I think for me bottom baits are a non starter as I wouldn't be confident due to the silt /weed I've been happy with my wafter rig set up nice and simple and seems to come in clean often enough to be confident it's fishing most of the time and I will try one on a pop up as well so have it all covered now just got to find them ,feed them and not balls it up

Wow some great responses guys and water pressure isn't something I would have even considered tbh , the lake I fish is probably only 9ft in the deeper part though so good to know it shouldn't affect me too much, I am right with you on prebaited spots btw it's certainly my most successful method so far I would assume that a pop up would be more effective in shallower water as it would be more likely to be taken by a non feeding cruising fish if it got close enough to pique it's interest , and also it would be more likely to be sending food signals right through the water column, but mainly you have to think if you have a bowl of crisps right next to you when watching TV , you are more likely to eat those crisps than if you have to go to the shop to buy them first, I always usually like to match my hookbaits with my free offerings emmcee however the lake I am fishing is really silty so I am just wondering whether a more blatant hookbait will get taken quicker and also take on less smelly silt, so in that respect I hope you are wrong but I take your point that it could create a negative taste using too many additives as one may overpower the whole package, I can only try something has to work at some point