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There is a bit of metalwork, it is a proven rig but it needs to be used for its correct application, IE "big fish" angling. Basically, its not designed for commercials or runs waters where the average size of carp is not too small, for reasons previously mentioned. Although i have seen it "advertised" as a usual pva bag rig which would suggest that it will end up on the nearest commercial where a poor little 3lb carp will stitch itself up royally on it. The Whithy pool rig, this spins on contact as well, and has the benefits of longshanked hooks with less risk of damage. As the tubing straightens out during the fight. Its a bit of a rig to get your head around visually, it was invented by steve renyard to combat the super riggy carp at withy pool that were mouthing the baits. this is my basic pop up rig that i use all the time. the bait blows back along the shank on ejection, i have used the small bait big hook principle for years having caught many carp on it. 35lb Pb. 28lb 21lb 22lb. The most simple pop up rig here, yet had lots of 20-30's on my rig, and never felt the need to complicate it further, after all, the correct application of bait in the right swim for the prevailing conditions is far more important than some fancy over complicated rig. The most fancy all singing all dancing rig still wont catch a carp thats not there! Get the location right before worrying about "advanced" rigs, the most consistant "big fish" anglers use real simple rigs and put watercraft and location forefront in their minds.

The business end of the 360 ( degree) rig. (thank you fox international for the pic!) Just tie a braided hookling to the swivel ring. Gotta be a longer than average hooklink, does not work as well with short links. Personally, if i want to fish a longshanked pop up presentation, i would use the half withy rig, as it was designed to emulate the longshanked aspects but with a shortshanked hook. The hook spins in a similar fashion as the 360 rig when the curved tubing touches the lip, it spins and places the hook hopefully in the bottom lip, which is the same mechanics you are relying on with the 360 rig. As the curved longshank comes in contact with the bottom lip, with the swivel, the hook should spin 360 degrees (hence the name!) and hook in the lip.

No dramas!

Rob maylin also outlined the dangers of the bent hook rig in print too, once they became known. The 360 rig is attributed to dave lane who stated it was a "big fish" rig where the likelyhood of doublehooking/stitching the hook is less likely. Some mouth damage will be down to poor unhooking, refusal to cut the hook if required (or even not being aware this is an option, how many people truthfully think to snip a hook?) also using the 360 rig out of the context to which it was origionally designed. I think that its use on smaller fish, high stock runs waters (for which it wasnt designed) is another reason why mouth damage may be encountered. Personally i think there are other pop up rigs out there that are just as effective.

Damn it!!! Roger, emptying it now!

Its a lovely pond with a hikers map in either lake road car park, or the havan car park, to show you where to walk, if not just ask, its a tiny nature reserve and people can show you the way. Depending what end of the lake you wanna fish determines what car park you use. I used to prefer the havan car park, myself.

Google "hamworthy lake" in poole, dorset - its council ran, deep crytal clear sand pit with some lovely carp in it its a stunning pond, just has a few problems with pikeys, but ive personally never had any problems myself. Had some lovely commons out to 20lb+ but its fairly tricky, also still enforces the close season, but it is FREE TO FISH! woohoo!! Its off the haven holiday camp in poole, at least worth a walk around mate. Its one of my favourite waters. Also, looked at broadlands lake off the M27?

The 360 rig is sometimes pinned with mouth damage due to its mechanics, in the same way the long shank bent hook rig was in the 80-90s - indeed this rig was banned in many places. The long shank aspect used to "double hook" (hook through the lips multiple times, otherwise called stitching) and then tear in the carps mouth, the bent hook, if not bent correctly, would open and close at the point of bending kind of like an old fashioned can opener causing damage to the carp. The fox series 5 - the first commercially available long shanked curved hook brought in to try and emulate the success of the bent hook rig. It was found that smaller, more frantic carp could "double hook" themselves which then tore, ripping the lips. The readon shrink tube became so popular was it allowed you to fish a "bent hook" which didnt cause the damage with the hook opening and closing like a can openerin the carps mouth this is why we bend and curve shrink tube, to emulate the bent hook rig.The link has been made between the longshanked aspect and the 360 rig, it has been said (by "them") that it can cause the double hooking which leads to mouth damage. The evidence is not exactly solid, in the case of the bent hook rig, the damage and its cause was obvious, and lots of lakes banned it. The 360 rig is used by many top anglers, mr dave lane being one of them, it is seen as a "big fish rig" mostly down to the fact it utilises a longshanked hook which can hook multiple times in a smaller carps mouth. It is also designed to be fished heavily weighted as opposed to critically balanced. The idea is that the pop up spins 360 degrees and hook in the bottom lip. The use of a longshank hook has always been linked to mouth damage to smaller carp. Whether its true or not? Well thats open to speculation, the old bent hook was brutal, but the 360 rig is well popular and well used, if it was as damaging as the old bent hook rig was, then we would know by now, its been out for years, i dont use it as its too much metal in/around the hook - plus the use of a longshank puts me off a bit, as i remember the mouth damage from the 1st longshank curved hooks and bent hook rigs. I havent seen the series 5 on sale for years, although fox do sell the armapoint LSC which look near as damn it identical.

Time to complain!!

Ive had the absolute priveledge of being able to fish for carp for 19+yrs, i love all aspects of the sport, including watching and appreciating the wildlife, i dont understand the current trend for drinking on the bank, these days getting the bivvy up, tv on etc before getting on with the inconvienance of getting the rods out... I know one lad who used to set up on the pond, cast out anywhich where and retire to his bivvy for a weekend of fostors tinnies, an ounce of weed and several hard core porn magazines, you wouldnt see him from one day to the next!! Personally, i dont really care if i blank, being there is enough, remember: Take nothing but photographs, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but time... We "borrow" the swim from mother nature, we should at least return it in as good a nick as we were lent it, we owe them that, litter louts, drunks, stoners, noisey neighbours, they dont deserve to see the wildlife in the close intimate way that us anglers do. As a footnote, i have no qualms with those who enjoy a can or two on the bank, just dont kick the asre out of it!

Ive got several sets i could chose, but my centuries have been there through thick and thin and i feel "lost" fishing without them.

Many thanks buddy! Just checked it out, O...M...G...(to quote a teenage girl!) the 19" cork sleeves looks proper gucci...!

I was wondering if you could buy the cork and do the job myself? It seems such a simple job, and i dont have any specialist tackle shops around me who could do it for me, i dont like giving my rods to someone else either, when i had the "mature" (like it!!) blanks rewhipped, i was warned not to fish with them for about a week to let the varnish harden off and dry thoroughly, needless to say, 4hrs later ive blasted them with a hairdryer and am set up in a swim merrily angling away... Yeah, the varnish all cracked and warped and i had to strip it all off and redo it all over again...

Lol!! For me it still does!! :blink:

Yeah! Although i shouldve re-eyed the rod before giving her the push, she could have paid for them as a leaving present...

God damn it! Protected!!

I want to strip and re-eye my centuary blanks, i'd love to replace the duplon/foam handles with cork as i love cork handles. I had to get my blanks re-eyed years ago after the eyes were twisted around themselves by a rather angry ex... Well she was an ex swiftly afterwards! Sticks and stones may break my bones but keep your mitts off my carp gear!! On the plus side, at least it was the fishing type of "tackle" that she chose to twist off... :blink:

No no no... We need to unbalance everything now! Lol!! The carp are used to balanced set ups... I have used this rig to good effect on the past.

Yeah, this is almost the modern take of this classic rig, however using a light line hair from the bend of the hook, without the hair being a continuation of the hooklink which seems to make it stiffer, the light, long hair makes the point of the hook "heavy" and the hook is more unstable on ejection. Its similar to the very early hairs during their inception with lenny middleton the knotless knot/continuation of hooklink-hair is a relatively recent concept, the hairs were often lighter hairs tied seperatley on to the eye or shank of the hook. As the hooklink of the time was mono, dental floss hairs on mono links were one of the first hair rigs i ever used in the mid 90's The "hook bend hair" is relatively forgotten about as being "old" but it can work. It looks pretty "hookable" i think with a curveshanked hook, this would flip over and dig in really well.

I got a set of centuary 12ft 2 3/4tc canon carp rods, they are a lovely set of rods, but they are starting to show their age. (arent we all??) nothing a good clean and a rewhipping of the eyes will sort out. The blanks are mint! I also have a set of 11ft shimano 2lb tc rods that i love, they are pretty old to, but ive never found a blank that is thinner, crisp and snappy as these rods. I love them, although they are "dated" by modern standards.

When i tried it out, i used either a tucked half blood or 3 turn grinner knot, secured with a dab of superglue, i found a lot of knots slipped, i also tried a "round turn and two half hitches" and clove hitches as well, (check out nautical websites!) and secure it with superglue

Have you tried calling the baillif mate?? Im sure they will help you out, they want you to catch, so you will come back!!

Yeah, got ya, ive been playing around and have not had any issues on my bench tests. And they look pukka neat, just need to get some reliable crimps to have a proper play. I tried initial tests with sea fishing crimps which are ideal for placing on 60lb rig bodies but they need testing with carp links which i found to be (obviously) thinner, "smoother" and might be more liable to slip or nick the link as some of the crimp edges are a bit rough.

The floss trick is one of my little ruses to extend the length of a pretied hair. Ive looked at extenda hairstops, but i tend to tie a loop in my chosen hooklink and hair rig a boilie before threading the hook on and tying it all up, making sure the hair is the length i want it. rather than tying it up first then seeing how the boilie fits.

A water i used to fish only had one swim that consistantly produced the carp on a regular basis, as it was the only one that you could safetly cast into the out of bounds margins. It was called the "end swim" or "snag" swim and was exteremly popular. (you could fish the hot margin from the end swim on the otherside "rats/pipe" swim if you placed your rods on storm poles and have them around the overhanging trees in the margins about 5-8yrds out and live in waders!) You would just be setting up when you'd get other carpers asking when your going! Leaving their bivvies behind to secure the swim or giving you their phone numbers so you could call them!! Crazy stuff!