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I've got Permission for a night tomorrow, so have been prepping stuff, I am tired today been up since 4am all week. but does anyone else find sorting there gear out stressful, I don't know why, I just find myself reorganising stuff and wondering what I am missing because I've made extra space in my rucksack, it just does my head in, I have lessened the amount of stuff I take and I am better organised but jeez, my overactive brain makes this task a mission in itself, 😜 I might write a checklist of the things I need to take while I am there, 🤓 I feel like I should be continuing using bags, as its obviously made a huge difference to my catch rate but tbh, I can't be bothered to sit tying them all the time, I've done a few so may use them on one rod but it's just not relaxing enough and adds to things I need to do before I leave 😔 I've got about 4kg of liquid loaded boilies soaked in goodness and finished off with crayfish and krillmeal jackets, I think they look ready for action now,these should be oozing goodies into the water column 👍 My mate is coming round for some beers tonight and I think I need a few to chill out its been a long week 😩🙂 But I can't wait till tomorrow, its like Christmas everytime I get to fish these days,,🤶🎄🎄🎅😂 Tight lines all

I give up then lol

This is also where having an established bait that the carp want can give you a massive edge and creating a feeding area/ situation that brings numbers of fish to your spot. The more your hookbait is picked up the more chance of a take naturally.

No matter what anyone thinks of Korda, those vids were a revelation. I don't think any of us realised just how frequently we get done. Fact is we're likely getting stitched up numerous times before we get a take. It was these vids that taught us just how important it is to have a rig that can reset itself. That alone makes watching the vids invaluable imo.

A couple of Interesting thoughts on this; Years ago Mike Wilson was convinced that the different metals on the end tackle created an electrical field. Steel hook, copper or steel on the lead. Basically from my limited understanding, the dissimilar metals with an electrolyte like water between them create a tiny electrical and magnetic field. Mike Wilson was so convinced, he was playing about creating weights made of glass. There are more posts on this that I could or even should have quoted, unfortunately as I'm trying to keep it relevant on (page 1), and pushing the + symbol would quote every post complete, I can't add them in. The resetting rigs is an important point, but the more we can create a comfortable feeding situation, where the fish are actively feeding, then with a rig that is ejected, the same or another fish can carry on feeding, and take the rig again, hopefully at some point being hooked. An 'inefficient' rig on comfortably feeding fish can still hook them, whereas an efficient rig with non feeding fish probably or possibly won't. In effect the carp have to take the hookbait in either scenario.

I wasn't planning to try it as I am happy with my current rig but that sounds like a challenge. I was just trying to give a helpful suggestion BUT will have to give it a go now. I will tank test it first to see how it sucks up. There are a lot of variables - length of whisker, stiffness and thickness of whisker, number of whiskers, angle between whiskers. I have a mental image of it being a bit like having a small fishbone stuck in your throat.

I agree that the feeding situation needs to be created. There is nothing is like the 100% confidence you get when you see bubbles coming up from your patch. It seemed to me that the tone of this thread was to suggest improvements to the anti-ejection properties of a rig rather than just accept current rigs. IMHO, I think the problem with a lot of rigs is that the hook simply hangs below the bait. All the carp has to do is to open its mouth and let it drop. I think the solution is to try and make the hook move away from that position once the carp stops sucking it up. This is why I do not fish my boilies on a hair BUT, because the hair is a very tried and tested technique, I think the “Savay” idea may be the way to go.

🤣😂That's a new one to me. All this stuff (sound/light travelling down line/inherent magnetism of metals) is why people end up with their heads up their backsides. There really is not that much to worry about in carp angling: Present a bait well..... in an area the carp are prepared to feed..... when the carp are there, feeding. If we're not catching, 9 times out of 10 it is because one of the above requirements has not been met. The other 1 time out of 10 has nothing to do with sound/light travelling down line or inherent magnetism of metals imo. It is due to some other environmental factor that can normally be determined by careful and comprehensive observation. If the people that come up with these crazy theories spent as much time trying to present a bait well in an area the carp are prepared to feed when the carp are there feeding, they would become a very good angler very quickly. Imo.

I just read a post on fb about underlit alarms causing light to go down the line as well 😳😳😳😳

If going to go down the minute details what about noise vibration travelling down the line lol might as well just throw away the rods and take up golf

I tested that idea some time ago. The idea is that if the hook slides along the side of the mouth those arms turn the hook into the flesh. However, it works against you if the hook is on its back.

Watching similar videos I came to a different conclusion. When carp are feeding the food is wafting about in the disturbance. Anything attached to a line behaves differently and stands out like a sore thumb.

Me too. I have a close pal that I fished with on 3 different waters over a 5 year period. I always fish pop ups. He always fishes bottom baits in bags. My average was MUCH bigger, every year, on every water. Not conclusive, but a very good indication.

The elliot gray pop up theory sticks with me from those tbh where his rig caught the box common, I still think pop ups will probably catch bigger fish overall, and on the whole will be presented correctly more often, after that and Pete Regan just chucking them in weed, all I can say is I'm not going to be as fussy where my rigs land tomorrow, I'm geared up to fish anywhere and over a spread of bait I have been liquid loading(not just glugging😁) for 3 days, creating the feeding situation and getting them grazing the area will be the most important thing then hopefully they will slip up, I am keen to try the stiff hinge rig with the doubled mouth trap, I am hoping that may prove tricky to eject, although one rod is going on the trig hammer ronnie with d rig kicker I made last night,

So how do you explain fish backing off hookbaits... its been seen time and time again... there must be an explanation for it...?

I just do not believe that for one second. The ronnie/spinner is imo right up there as one of the most effective rigs of all time. It's deadly. I've caught LOADS of carp on it. Imo you can see very clearly in the Korda vids why they spook and that is because they know something is different, simple as that. It could be the way the hookbait behaves or it could be that they can see some part of the rig (they're not smart enough to know what a hook or a lead is but they can tell something is different). But they are just too inquisitive to ignore it imo. As long as the rig resets and there is food about they will normally take it eventually imo. It's like when we fish on the surface. Unless you have them troughing like pigs you see them clock the hookbait all the time. They look at it, back off, come back, look at it, back off..... then on the fourth or fifth lap they take it. They just can't help it. Totally agree. Creating that feeding situation is 100 times more important that than the hookbait or the rig imo. If you have any half decent rig that can reset itself, with any half decent hookbait on, it'll work if you can create that feeding situation.

Absolutely spot on mate.

😂😂 that’s an April fools waiting to happen. Some form of fake experiment to go with it!