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But on the same hand yonny they may well appreciate the feedback and rectify the problems and then send you some freebies to analyse [emoji12] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That draws a close to the testing fella. I foresee what will happen now is I'll keep them in my tackle box "for emergencies" and then bin them in about 2 years lol...... Nah, they'll just think I'm some nut job carp freak playing with hooks in a lab at work. In fairness they'd be about right.

Doesn't anyone realise this may well be down to how fish are feeding. A group of fish feed a lot more vigorously than maybe a singular to two fish. Bigger fish tend to either swim alone or with one maybe two other fish. If you watch how they feed they are a lot more cautious. What I'm trying to say, maybe this has nothing to do with the lead set up, maybe it's more to do with the hook end. Try a pop up, an instant grab rig rather than a balanced or bottom bait, it might just be the little tweak that changes everything. It's very rarely lead set ups that cause losses, it's more down to presentation, ie, bottom, balanced or pop up and hook sharpness.

Thank goodness it's Yonny with the laboratory , if was someone like Cyborx goodness knows what his twisted mind - oops , I mean fertile imagination would conjure up ! .

Anyone got the number for the RSPCC?

I fish alot of silty lakes and it's one of the easiest bottoms to fish over. Firstly the fish give away ware there feeding more than any other bottom. I useally use a lead clip rig length depends on alot of things just like on any other bottom. On one really silty estate lake I fished I done well on short hook links I only used short hooklinks because nobody else did. I do use helicopters occasionally never had any problems if I put it in the right spot it screams off and the fish are useally nailed. Used helicopter fair bit last winter had no problems. Do prefer helicopters in light silk weed or if it's very shallow and very shallow I use helicopters rig. Just look for fizzing or showing fish use a simple set up keep the disturbance down use bait and rigs you have confidence with on other lakes and you will catch in silt it's defonately not something to worry about.

Sorry Adam, I have played around with helicopter set-ups for over 20 years, as a silt rig, as a first choice for short or long distance, with or without the dreaded l-core, with slack or tight lines and it is responsible for a lot of funny takes and indications. I definitely set it up right for long distance fishing, I don't mean a normal chuck, I mean fished at around 130metres, the line as tight as I could get it to the indicator, and I still ended up with aborted indication and a lost fish when the fish simply kited left. I don't use back leads at all. This was two weeks ago, but I can give other instances from 20years worth of use. Other anglers have also commented and said the same in articles in the press, and I don't think we can all be wrong. I remember one in particular as the angler concerned was fishing Wraysbury and was out in a boat checking his rigs down

Yeah I knew mate , It was just me being facetious

Lol thanks cyborx I'll get my coat Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Fair play mate .... probably the best review I've read on here in all the years I am eagerly awaiting for yonnies hooks to hit the shelves