Gardner ATTS 6 magnet roller wheels?

[elmoputney]

I have used the 2 and 4 (always use now) has anyone used the 6 magnet roller wheels, I had a couple of single bleeps on my zig rods that I am starting to think may have been bites in hindsight as I was fishing bow string tight tines, was thinking 6 might be better for zig fishing can anyone tell me if they noticed much difference between 4 and 6 please? 

[OldBoy]

1 hour ago, elmoputney said:

I have used the 2 and 4 (always use now) has anyone used the 6 magnet roller wheels, I had a couple of single bleeps on my zig rods that I am starting to think may have been bites in hindsight as I was fishing bow string tight tines, was thinking 6 might be better for zig fishing can anyone tell me if they noticed much difference between 4 and 6 please? 

I also have the ATTs alarms, have done for many years and love the simplicity of them 👍

Mine have been on 4 magnets and tbh not sure it makes a lot of difference if you were to swap to the 6 magnets?

As for zigs, not much experience in recent times, do remember on Horseshoe Lake (Carp Society) years ago when zigs meant using a floating bait on surface, cork balls, and using optonic alarms most takes would be fairly violent or drop backs, wouldn't worry to much about the changing to 6 rollers mate

[elmoputney]

As alarms I love them tbh simple and great, not sure how much they will change the sensitivity as the 4 mag roller is every 0.5cm and 6 is 0.33cm so essentially the 6 mag roller is  17mm more sensitive. I think a lot of it is me adjusting to check out every single bleep when zig fishing as in hindsight I feel I may have missed a few chances. I also had my rod tips underwater which won't help me see what's going on, learning all the time thanks OldBoy 

[B B]

I have the Atts as they come and have wondered the same Elmo…but I was in my mates swim when he was on zigs and was using the all singing and dancing shoe box size Delks 🫢 when I noticed the tip moving ever so slightly and then his alarm went off and I netted a mid 20 for him. 
When I use an adjustable float which I find better as you know for the obvious reasons easier to change the depths of your hook bait but it also asks like a running ledger that’s more sensitive… I should use a running ledger on my bottom rigs more often especially close in.  🤔

 

[elmoputney]

18 minutes ago, B B said:

I have the Atts as they come and have wondered the same Elmo…but I was in my mates swim when he was on zigs and was using the all singing and dancing shoe box size Delks 🫢 when I noticed the tip moving ever so slightly and then his alarm went off and I netted a mid 20 for him. 
When I use an adjustable float which I find better as you know for the obvious reasons easier to change the depths of your hook bait but it also asks like a running ledger that’s more sensitive… I should use a running ledger on my bottom rigs more often especially close in.  🤔

 

With 2 magnet rollers? I do much prefer the 4 mags tbh, 6 would be overkill for normal fishing I think. But might be useful if max sensitivity is required, I think it's too easy to just write a single bleep off as an anomaly, whereas 2 bleeps would make you notice, 

When I was at the Essex show I got shown the PB Products hit n run lead clips, I haven't tried them yet but they kind of act like a running rig, the fish can't use the weight of the lead to discharge the hook, quite different and I am an easy sale so naturally I bought some 😅

 

[framey]

47 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

With 2 magnet rollers? I do much prefer the 4 mags tbh, 6 would be overkill for normal fishing I think. But might be useful if max sensitivity is required, I think it's too easy to just write a single bleep off as an anomaly, whereas 2 bleeps would make you notice, 

When I was at the Essex show I got shown the PB Products hit n run lead clips, I haven't tried them yet but they kind of act like a running rig, the fish can't use the weight of the lead to discharge the hook, quite different and I am an easy sale so naturally I bought some 😅

 

Very good and very safe like everything if set up correctly

[elmoputney]

3 minutes ago, framey said:

Very good and very safe like everything if set up correctly

Yeah it seems very safe, worst case scenario, you leave a rig in a fishes mouth, I was impressed when I saw it. 

[yonny]

19 hours ago, elmoputney said:

in hindsight I feel I may have missed a few chances.

Nah.... if anything, your hooking potential is amplified on the zigs imo. Your hook length/link is already tight to the lead i.e. there is no slack to take up. If/when Mr Carp takes the hookbait, it's immediately under tension unless he dives down which is extremely unlikely given what we know from the numerous underwater vids in circulation. Ergo, the likelihood is a hooked carp.

Zigs can give odd bites - sometimes screamers, sometime massive drop-backs, and sometimes those odd bouncing tips that you describe (which tbf you can visualise if you imagine Mr Carp flapping when he realises he's now attached to a lead system 6 ft below him), but I can almost guarantee you that changing to a 6 magnet roller will do absolutely nothing in terms of telling you if a carp is attached. They are either hooked or they are not.... I certainly wouldn't go hitting single bleeps without a visual indication that you've hooked one.

20 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I also had my rod tips underwater which won't help me see what's going on.

I would certainly change this before I changed the roller on the alarms buddy.

[jh92]

17 hours ago, B B said:

I have the Atts as they come and have wondered the same Elmo…but I was in my mates swim when he was on zigs and was using the all singing and dancing shoe box size Delks 🫢 when I noticed the tip moving ever so slightly and then his alarm went off and I netted a mid 20 for him. 
When I use an adjustable float which I find better as you know for the obvious reasons easier to change the depths of your hook bait but it also asks like a running ledger that’s more sensitive… I should use a running ledger on my bottom rigs more often especially close in.  🤔

 

I've had this before when fishing tight lines mate, it registered on the tip of the rod before the receiver/alarm lol. I think with the line being tight its going to register on the tip first before it takes line if that makes sense 🤔

I'm currently fishing with my lines quite slack, with the bobbins as low as they will go. I'm using a leadclip that's "running" so the swivel pulls out easily. I'm fishing 5 wraps at the moment and want the leadcore leader and line on the deck as much as possible lol. The fish in here are apparently really weary of tight lines and will most likely spook if coming in contact with them 🤔

Fishing at range seems much less complicated 🤣

[elmoputney]

44 minutes ago, yonny said:

Nah.... if anything, your hooking potential is amplified on the zigs imo. Your hook length/link is already tight to the lead i.e. there is no slack to take up. If/when Mr Carp takes the hookbait, it's immediately under tension unless he dives down which is extremely unlikely given what we know from the numerous underwater vids in circulation. Ergo, the likelihood is a hooked carp.

Zigs can give odd bites - sometimes screamers, sometime massive drop-backs, and sometimes those odd bouncing tips that you describe (which tbf you can visualise if you imagine Mr Carp flapping when he realises he's now attached to a lead system 6 ft below him), but I can almost guarantee you that changing to a 6 magnet roller will do absolutely nothing in terms of telling you if a carp is attached. They are either hooked or they are not.... I certainly wouldn't go hitting single bleeps without a visual indication that you've hooked one.

I would certainly change this before I changed the roller on the alarms buddy.

Thanks, the reason I doubted myself was that I had dismissed them as single bleeps and not even bothered checking them for clues tbh, which is something I should have done in hindsight, it's all a learning curve still and good that I am learning, next time I will keep the tips out the water and will be looking for the clues. 

 

20 minutes ago, jh92 said:

I've had this before when fishing tight lines mate, it registered on the tip of the rod before the receiver/alarm lol. I think with the line being tight its going to register on the tip first before it takes line if that makes sense 🤔

I'm currently fishing with my lines quite slack, with the bobbins as low as they will go. I'm using a leadclip that's "running" so the swivel pulls out easily. I'm fishing 5 wraps at the moment and want the leadcore leader and line on the deck as much as possible lol. The fish in here are apparently really weary of tight lines and will most likely spook if coming in contact with them 🤔

Fishing at range seems much less complicated 🤣

You might notice the line pick up before the alarm fishing slack too, I've hit into fish before I've even had a bleep before watching the line, it's a good way to spot what's going in the swim. I love short range fishing watching for any little sign, nothing beats it tbh,Good luck .

[salokcinnodrog]

On 23/03/2025 at 09:51, elmoputney said:

I have used the 2 and 4 (always use now) has anyone used the 6 magnet roller wheels, I had a couple of single bleeps on my zig rods that I am starting to think may have been bites in hindsight as I was fishing bow string tight tines, was thinking 6 might be better for zig fishing can anyone tell me if they noticed much difference between 4 and 6 please? 

Years ago with original Optonics you had 2 or 4 vane roller wheels, and some of us created some 12 vane wheels out of milk bottle tops or film canister tops or bases until Dellareed started making them themselves. The honest answer is I went back to 4 vanes, any more really was not worth the effort to break the light beam inside. The benefit was actually for pike fishing where tiny movements were rolling the wheel slightly.

When it came to roller wheel alarms, I started playing with lead setups to create runs that took line, as quite simply a semi-fixed set-up could see the carp sit still hooked with no indication or worse move in a perfect arc with no line taken or dropping back.

Obviously the slack line and running lead is not suitable for every situation, like Delkims are not suitable for everyone (I still have not had many of the problems described by many), but the vibration sensing feature is handy.

With zigs, and I will admit I am not very good with them, you have to have a tight line to the lead. The best indicator I found is a very heavy bobbin, springer or loaded quiverloc, which gives you the dropback or run indication. 

@yonny explains it far better than I can, and has far more experience I'm sure.

[OldBoy]

2 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

Years ago with original Optonics you had 2 or 4 vane roller wheels, and some of us created some 12 vane wheels out of milk bottle tops or film canister tops or bases until Dellareed started making them themselves. The honest answer is I went back to 4 vanes, any more really was not worth the effort to break the light beam inside. The benefit was actually for pike fishing where tiny movements were rolling the wheel slightly.

When it came to roller wheel alarms, I started playing with lead setups to create runs that took line, as quite simply a semi-fixed set-up could see the carp sit still hooked with no indication or worse move in a perfect arc with no line taken or dropping back.

Obviously the slack line and running lead is not suitable for every situation, like Delkims are not suitable for everyone (I still have not had many of the problems described by many), but the vibration sensing feature is handy.

With zigs, and I will admit I am not very good with them, you have to have a tight line to the lead. The best indicator I found is a very heavy bobbin, springer or loaded quiverloc, which gives you the dropback or run indication. 

@yonny explains it far better than I can, and has far more experience I'm sure.

Salokchimnodrog,

Blimey, someoneone old enough to remember Optonics!

I moded mine to have new vanes and 'carp ears' and a brass fixing nut, all linked up by cables, yes cables, to a Bitec sounder box in a Rod Hutchie bivvie dome!

As said before, I still love the Atts alarms, not sure why people go for so called hi tech stuff, although I read Atts are bringing out one with a speaker now apparently!

In my over 40 years of carp fishing, most takes are either run off screamers or drop backs....

As for zigs, only relevant for years ago, but high rod tips and very tight lines to the lead worked well for me 

[elmoputney]

11 minutes ago, OldBoy said:

Salokchimnodrog,

Blimey, someoneone old enough to remember Optonics!

I moded mine to have new vanes and 'carp ears' and a brass fixing nut, all linked up by cables, yes cables, to a Bitec sounder box in a Rod Hutchie bivvie dome!

As said before, I still love the Atts alarms, not sure why people go for so called hi tech stuff, although I read Atts are bringing out one with a speaker now apparently!

In my over 40 years of carp fishing, most takes are either run off screamers or drop backs....

As for zigs, only relevant for years ago, but high rod tips and very tight lines to the lead worked well for me 

I had some optonics, they always use to end up tilting to one side. 

I've seen the new atts with speaker they look awesome and sound great too. Come with snag backs as standard they look mint. 

[framey]

 

then I had optonics but the basic ones took me years to get a pair lol had to save all my money from “caddying “ at the local golf club as a kid.

got cheesed off with them tipping to one side so went to bitech viper and that was even worse. 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 15:09 by framey

[OldBoy]

12 minutes ago, framey said:

 

then I had optonics but the basic ones took me years to get a pair lol had to save all my money from “caddying “ at the local golf club as a kid.

got cheesed off with them tipping to one side so went to bitech viper and that was even worse. 

 

 

 

 

lol, that's why I got the 'posh' brass nuts lol

Served my well on Horseshoe Lake.... oh the memories

Bitech viper alarms were the pits!

As fo new ATTs alarms.... err would you perhaps comprimise the bullet prof appeal by adding a speaker?

[jh92]

9 minutes ago, OldBoy said:

lol, that's why I got the 'posh' brass nuts lol

Served my well on Horseshoe Lake.... oh the memories

Bitech viper alarms were the pits!

As fo new ATTs alarms.... err would you perhaps comprimise the bullet prof appeal by adding a speaker?

I've got the atts aswell, nice alarms once I found out how to turn the vibration setting off on the receiver 🤣

Might sound mad but the only thing I don't like is the shape of them, could do with with being more chunky 🤣

[salokcinnodrog]

3 hours ago, OldBoy said:

Salokchimnodrog,

Blimey, someoneone old enough to remember Optonics!

I moded mine to have new vanes and 'carp ears' and a brass fixing nut, all linked up by cables, yes cables, to a Bitec sounder box in a Rod Hutchie bivvie dome!

As said before, I still love the Atts alarms, not sure why people go for so called hi tech stuff, although I read Atts are bringing out one with a speaker now apparently!

In my over 40 years of carp fishing, most takes are either run off screamers or drop backs....

As for zigs, only relevant for years ago, but high rod tips and very tight lines to the lead worked well for me 

 

3 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I had some optonics, they always use to end up tilting to one side. 

I've seen the new atts with speaker they look awesome and sound great too. Come with snag backs as standard they look mint. 

 

3 hours ago, framey said:

 

then I had optonics but the basic ones took me years to get a pair lol had to save all my money from “caddying “ at the local golf club as a kid.

got cheesed off with them tipping to one side so went to bitech viper and that was even worse. 

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, OldBoy said:

lol, that's why I got the 'posh' brass nuts lol

Served my well on Horseshoe Lake.... oh the memories

Bitech viper alarms were the pits!

As fo new ATTs alarms.... err would you perhaps comprimise the bullet prof appeal by adding a speaker?

Opti-polos by Solar if I remember correctly prevented the tilting Optonics. I did have the Dellareed sounder box, a multi-pin plug in lead to the box as well, and made sure I fitted owl ears rather than the standard ears, so I could keep them in the box.

Somewhere I have a picture of my 2 rod set up in front of the Fox Jekk shelter overwrap and the kettle on, some things never change...

 

3 hours ago, framey said:

got cheesed off with them tipping to one side so went to bitech viper and that was even worse. 

 

Bitech Viper alarms were awesome, if you wanted a 10minute warning before the next train went past on the railway bank at Barham A pit... 

I kid you not they would pick up and bleep from the vibration of trains long before we could hear them.

Supposedly the vibration sensor sensitivity could be varied by the angle of the buzzer head.

The Super XL Optonic was the supposed answer to Delkims conversions, or was it the Magnetonic? 

I avoided the XL and went straight to Delkim ST's, would be around 1993 I guess. 

[elmoputney]

2 hours ago, jh92 said:

I've got the atts aswell, nice alarms once I found out how to turn the vibration setting off on the receiver 🤣

Might sound mad but the only thing I don't like is the shape of them, could do with with being more chunky 🤣

Ha ha I somehow accidently turned vibration on this weekend I had to Google how to turn it off was doing my head in 😂

Nah small and simple love em, I get tempted by snag backs from time to time but haven't yet. 

[B B]

On 23/03/2025 at 17:23, elmoputney said:

I think it's too easy to just write a single bleep off as an anomaly, whereas 2 bleeps would make you notice, 

If I had a single bleep il be looking at the tips mate a carp could be trying to get rid of the hook maybe been on a while. I try to set the bivvy up as close to the rods as I can if it’s dark just need a flick on the torch to check, and I have the rods at slight angle to the water a  bit like quiver tipping. Always near the rods even when I’m in a hot tub 😂

[elmoputney]

2 minutes ago, B B said:

If I had a single bleep il be looking at the tips mate a carp could be trying to get rid of the hook maybe been on a while. I try to set the bivvy up as close to the rods as I can if it’s dark just need a flick on the torch to check, and I have the rods at slight angle to the water a  bit like quiver tipping. Always near the rods even when I’m in a hot tub 😂

Will do next time thanks for the tips.

I think it's been a good learning curve this weekend. I made some mistakes but got the result, will regroup and be ready to go again next time,its a long season just got to kick on now and take the positives, and hopefully we can be there or there abouts at the end of the season 😂

 

[B B]

You sounded like your doing an after match football report on match of the day 😉… but what a buzz getting a carp on a zig you almost can’t believe it when it happens. 👍

[elmoputney]

4 minutes ago, B B said:

You sounded like your doing an after match football report on match of the day 😉… but what a buzz getting a carp on a zig you almost can’t believe it when it happens. 👍

I've been watching this instagram short and this comedian does post match interviews for things like dates and Christmas board games, it makes me chuckle so I thought I would do a fishing one 😂