elmoputney Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) What are your thoughts? I've read a few articles that tell me not dropping inlines can cause damage to the fishes mouth? I just wondered what you guys thought about this? Edited February 27, 2020 by elmoputney yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Paws Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 I'm against dropping leads, if it's not necessary. Obviously if you're fishing a weedy water then it may be wise to err on the side of caution but not as a matter of course. Machali and elmoputney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelabel Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) I'm of the same opinion.. that said does an inline jiggle around so as to cause damage...?? I think if you were using really heavy leads there is a danger that some mouth damage could occur.... again It's not an issue for me as I rarely use leads above 2oz and only use lightweight inlines 1 or 1.5oz for bag work Edited February 27, 2020 by bluelabel elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 hours ago, elmoputney said: I've read a few articles that tell me not dropping inlines can cause damage to the fishes mouth? I cannot see any reason an inline set up would cause more damage than any other type of set up. Regards dropping the lead, horse for course innit. If you need to drop it due to snags, weed, whatever, then yes - drop it. If you don't need to, then don't! No point in littering the lake bed for a laugh. elmoputney, finchey, carpyian and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 I used to fish Taverham Mills regularly with inline leads, in the days of 'learning for yourself', rather than todays hyped up 'its all in the media'😱😖😆😉 The lake is quite weedy, a mix of lily beds, and in places, silkweed. I rarely lost any fish due to weed build up on the lead, in fact with a zipp or distance shaped lead, most weed slid over the lead. Just don't use an inline lead with any neck😉. Even with tubing there was limited weed hang up. I don't like dropping the lead at all, unless I have to. The excuses of 'fish come up in the water without the lead', I'm sorry, I never found that true, they play the same, a fish fights how it wants to, deep or shallow. I think it is the fishes 'character' that decides how it fights. Some stay deep, some come up. A particular fish I knew in Taverham every time it was caught was like a bag of spuds. You pumped it in with no scrap. I first caught it at double figures, and my mate Bruce caught it a few times up to 20lb. Also, a fish that is being played, does not necessarily want to fight or run through the weed, dependant on type of weed, Would you want your eyes covered when you are running? Lily beds fish might use to run into, or there are channels through or under the weed. elmoputney, bluelabel and carpyian 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Thanks for the replies all, I was hoping you would all say that tbh, I did also read about another rig using an inline that appealed a bit, which they called a shocker, my thought being they took the lead Insert out and treated it as a running lead, which also meant it is safer in theory, now I like to be able to use a bag rubber for ease of sticking the bag onto, would anyone have an issue with me just boring out some of the insert so the swivel wasn't fixed as such, but I could still use a pva bag tail rubber, for the shock effect I would place a tiny bit of putty on the leader as the shock effect kind of like a running bead only would come off better in the unfortunate event of a line break? Cheers all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 As long as you're not using a leader that would be fine imo Elmo. elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 47 minutes ago, yonny said: As long as you're not using a leader that would be fine imo Elmo. Will have to have a think, I still want it to be quick change tbh but also safe might have a play with the outline fluoro leader to see if that works 😬 yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, elmoputney said: Will have to have a think, I still want it to be quick change tbh but also safe might have a play with the outline fluoro leader to see if that works 😬 You'll have to ditch the tail rubber if you use a leader buddy. The tail rubber won't go over the leader knot if you crack off so you could leave the kipper trailing a lead. Edited February 27, 2020 by yonny typo Machali 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, yonny said: You'll have to ditch the tail rubber if you use a leader buddy. The tail rubber won't go over the leader knot if you crack off so you could leave the kipper trailing a lead. I just came to a similar conclusion tbh main concern though is the internal diameter on the lead by trimming the tail rubber I could get it to pass over the knot fairly easily, the lead went over the knot also with a lowish pulling force, however with both of these that is FOD free add any FODDAGE to the equation and I fully agree its a bit dodgy, yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Clutching at straws here lol but if I was to make a leader out of uncoated braid hooklink would that be ok? Both travel over the knot easily as its a lot finer, obviously still a no no in weedy or snaggy situations but is this still dodgy do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Also any putty would have to be after any knots tbh the putty has been the biggest no no I've found so far made it very tricky for the lead to pass , I also added a bit of the hook point protection Vaseline stuff to the knot and that made it glide through really easily, This is all pre drilled BTW so should be even easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 16 hours ago, elmoputney said: Clutching at straws here lol but if I was to make a leader out of uncoated braid hooklink would that be ok? This is generally frowned upon mate, it can be very dangerous. Fine braids can cut into the flanks and/or lift scales during the fight. Its-grim-up-north 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelabel Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, yonny said: This is generally frowned upon mate, it can be very dangerous. Fine braids can cut into the flanks and/or lift scales during the fight. To be fair, so can bare mono or fluoro leaders... so where does one go from here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, bluelabel said: To be fair, so can bare mono or fluoro leaders... so where does one go from here... Tubing or a safe leader set up. I've never heard of fluoro leaders causing a problem. They are twice the diameter of mono. elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelabel Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 A coated braid is about the same diameter as a fluoro leader...! (And it depends on the BS of the fluouro leader...) I prefer tubing if its insisted upon & I'd prefer to fish a naked line where possible... it looks far less blatant, especially when fished slack... The knots that join leaders are the issue with inlines to my mind... there must be a way of fishing an inline shokka system safely elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, bluelabel said: A coated braid is about the same diameter as a fluoro leader...! I agree. 17 hours ago, elmoputney said: Clutching at straws here lol but if I was to make a leader out of uncoated braid hooklink would that be ok? But Elmo was asking about un-coated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelabel Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Soz.... gotta get my eyes retested😳 Apologies...😎👍 yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, yonny said: This is generally frowned upon mate, it can be very dangerous. Fine braids can cut into the flanks and/or lift scales during the fight. Point taken so they are out, shame though as it would've worked from a diameter point of view I reckon, but going forward the dream is a quick change pva set up that is safe so there is no point continuing with that li e of enquiry 2 hours ago, bluelabel said: A coated braid is about the same diameter as a fluoro leader...! (And it depends on the BS of the fluouro leader...) I prefer tubing if its insisted upon & I'd prefer to fish a naked line where possible... it looks far less blatant, especially when fished slack... The knots that join leaders are the issue with inlines to my mind... there must be a way of fishing an inline shokka system safely I did say uncoated, Its those knots that are causing me a few issues at present, if there is a way to fish it safely I hope its findable, The thing I think that puts me and probably most off using pva bags normally is the faff everytime you want to recast, you need to dry your rig out make a fresh bag tie it up and I'm pretty sure it's why most people use mesh bags just hooked on and chucked out The best solution so far seems to be just to use an avid bag stem or similar it seems pretty safe only one loopknot in the mainline above which a bored out lead would easily pass over and even easier if you could slide a piece of tubing over it, which would then take out the knot risk completely 😁 I think sometimes I really want to find these solutions only to discover they are already there 😁😁😁😁 yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Is using a shock leader out the question? yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, elmoputney said: Is using a shock leader out the question? As long as the lead can pass over the knot it's fine mate. elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 hours ago, yonny said: As long as the lead can pass over the knot it's fine mate. Is there a shock leader that's ready for my shocking casting 😁😁😳 yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 Looking into the bag stems a little closer they seem to be made from a bag insert with some kind of loop made from some kind of leader material, there seems to be options again anyway Fox do a tadpole insert that looks by far the safest set up, as the lead comes off the insert not the swivel, leaving you with a bare lead with no insert running up the line, I can feel a trip to the tackle shop coming on 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 On 27/02/2020 at 16:45, elmoputney said: Clutching at straws here lol but if I was to make a leader out of uncoated braid hooklink would that be ok? Both travel over the knot easily as its a lot finer, obviously still a no no in weedy or snaggy situations but is this still dodgy do you think? You could take the plastic insert out Of the inline and just use the rubber swivel bead that comes with the lead to hold it altogether. the lead will pass over almost any knot then if any breakages happens elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 5 hours ago, framey said: You could take the plastic insert out Of the inline and just use the rubber swivel bead that comes with the lead to hold it altogether. the lead will pass over almost any knot then if any breakages happens I tried pulling the insert out of one of my ebay leads didn't want to come out, they will need drilling I think 🤔🥴🤠 I think seeing how i won't be losing them I may splash out on a few fox ones to go with the tadpole set up as apparently they are slightly bigger holes so should be perfect, I am taking rapunzel to the fishing shop now wish me luck 🎣🐟 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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