KD RIG,

[woodchester17]

cant say ive ever used it but been reading a few articles on it. after some personal opinions on it. do you think its any better than a standard knotless knot??

[beanz]

i cant get my head around how its any different to a standard knotless knot once in the fishes mouth....maybe with a stiff hair but not with limp braid

[woodchester17]

im with you on that. keep looking at pics of it and i cant see it being any better than standard knotless

[Gaz]

its because the angle the hook comes off of makes it drop into the bottom lip a lot easier. not that i have used it

[beanz]

its because the angle the hook comes off of makes it drop into the bottom lip a lot easier. not that i have used it

 

so is the kk less effectual ???

and could the same effect be gain by less turns on a kk???

[Guest keenook]

Basicly it's the same as the old hair rig from the eye set up, nothing new there............

[Gaz]

beanz, i dont buy in to all the "new" rigs and "fancy" rigs so tbh i dont know if it is more affective or not because i dont use it. tbh though the aggressive angle of the hook looks like it would take hold of the bottom lip a lot easier than a normal kk when used for a pop up (which ultimately it was "designed" for)

[snowmanstevo]

I use the kd for my snowman set ups and its allways done ok for me and there normally well hooked in the bottom lip

 

Tied some up a few years ago and stuck with them ..... Don't know how much different they are to KK but it's done ok so I still use it

[lessthanphil]

beanz, i dont buy in to all the "new" rigs and "fancy" rigs so tbh i dont know if it is more affective or not because i dont use it. tbh though the aggressive angle of the hook looks like it would take hold of the bottom lip a lot easier than a normal kk when used for a pop up (which ultimately it was "designed" for)

 

Know what you mean, but I wouldn't exactly call the KD fancy. It's a very slight variation on a bog standard KK and can be very effective

[beanz]

my problem i get get my head around is....when its blown out ,the hair is folded back over the same twisted line on the shank as it would be if its just a standard KK. the KD bit plays no part on ejection..........or does it???? educate me

[Gaz]

as the fish takes the bait and hook in, because the hook is already pointing down in quite an aggressive way it will (hopefully) already take hold onto the bottom lip (as long as you have a sharp hook) as i say though i dont use it because quite honestly i agree with you

[salokcinnodrog]

I believe the original intention was with the hair leaving after just a couple of twists of the KK and a critically balanced bait.

 

 

Is the KD fashionable because of its supposed effectiveness, or because it has been renamed after Kenny Dorset?

(it was first fished long before the current reinvention and re-naming in the magazines)

 

 

Would getting the feeding "right" possibly with a bit more bait in the first place make the KK or basic hair rig as as effective?

 

Or would a standard Knotless knotted hook work better if it was fished with a line aligner or shrink tube "kicker"?

 

I've not used the KD rig in its current fashionable state, I have simply adapted the standard knotless knotted set-up, or used something totally different, by the amount fed so that I have gotten the fish feeding almost pre-occupied if possible.

 

Or correctly, since I can't see the fish picking up (and likely ejecting) my hookbait in the middle of the pond, I have fed so that I get some takes that lead to proper runs and a hooked fish.

 

That is not in the slightest to say that more advanced rigs don't work, but sometimes there is no reason to change rigs, when possibly getting the fish to feed more comfortably may be a better bet, and just changing the standard hair or rig length could be all it takes.

[Guest keenook]

At the end of the day, rigs catch Carp, some more than outher! I use my own rig, I am no sheep, and my rig will hook a huge persentage, purely because it it so different! If the bait is taken then the spool starts spinning!

 

The thing is that every single componant part has been thought through a 100 times, now that is a rig!

 

If I get a beep, I know why, you must understand the mechanics!

 

If my bobbin moves an inch, I know why!

Deadly!

[nigewoodcock]

At the end of the day, rigs catch Carp, some more than outher! I use my own rig, I am no sheep, and my rig will hook a huge persentage, purely because it it so different! If the bait is taken then the spool starts spinning!

 

The thing is that every single componant part has been thought through a 100 times, now that is a rig!

 

If I get a beep, I know why, you must understand the mechanics!

 

If my bobbin moves an inch, I know why!

Deadly!

 

Kev, lets have a look at this rig of yours then. Would be really interested to see it with the claims that it can't be ejected once the bait is taken.

[Guest keenook]

At the end of the day, rigs catch Carp, some more than outher! I use my own rig, I am no sheep, and my rig will hook a huge persentage, purely because it it so different! If the bait is taken then the spool starts spinning!

 

The thing is that every single componant part has been thought through a 100 times, now that is a rig!

 

If I get a beep, I know why, you must understand the mechanics!

 

If my bobbin moves an inch, I know why!

Deadly!

 

Kev, lets have a look at this rig of yours then. Would be really interested to see it with the claims that it can't be ejected once the bait is taken.

 

Nige to Quote Nick...................Use the search button Hahaha!

[Guest keenook]

Sorry Nige, I'm not being a pain, but these things were posted when I was in HK, different now I'm back, I'm sure you understand!

 

Same as my hook baits, all posted on here, but no more, my inovation is for me, as I will be on some difficult waters in the spring, I do so hope that you understand?

[nigewoodcock]

Sorry Nige, I'm not being a pain, but these things were posted when I was in HK, different now I'm back, I'm sure you understand!

 

Same as my hook baits, all posted on here, but no more, my inovation is for me, as I will be on some difficult waters in the spring, I do so hope that you understand?

 

No worries Kev. Up to you if you want to share or not It's just that I can see how trying to blow a cocktail stick out of your mouth is difficult. But that also means sucking one in no handed would be of equal difficulty???!

[Guest keenook]

Sorry Nige, I'm not being a pain, but these things were posted when I was in HK, different now I'm back, I'm sure you understand!

 

Same as my hook baits, all posted on here, but no more, my inovation is for me, as I will be on some difficult waters in the spring, I do so hope that you understand?

 

No worries Kev. Up to you if you want to share or not It's just that I can see how trying to blow a cocktail stick out of your mouth is difficult. But that also means sucking one in no handed would be of equal difficulty???!

 

No Nige, goes in easy Babe xxx As for sharing that was here years ago, sleeping and a waiting

[lessthanphil]

as the fish takes the bait and hook in, because the hook is already pointing down in quite an aggressive way it will (hopefully) already take hold onto the bottom lip (as long as you have a sharp hook) as i say though i dont use it because quite honestly i agree with you

 

It's also to do with that fact that when fishing a critically balanced bait, you're taking the weight away from the shank/eye of the hook and making the point the heaviest part - which as you say makes the point naturally point downwards.

 

It's a rig that looks odd out of the water, but when you get how it works, is pretty clever

[beanz]

 

Nige to Quote Nick...................Use the search button Hahaha!

 

oh ka-heeeev you know my thoughts on the search function ...93 pages! i going to have to pass on a 90% hook up rate unless.........

[garysj01]

At the end of the day, rigs catch Carp, some more than outher! I use my own rig, I am no sheep, and my rig will hook a huge persentage, purely because it it so different! If the bait is taken then the spool starts spinning!

 

The thing is that every single componant part has been thought through a 100 times, now that is a rig!

 

If I get a beep, I know why, you must understand the mechanics!

 

If my bobbin moves an inch, I know why!

Deadly!

 

Is this what your rig does

 

[stoogi]

[beanz]

as the fish takes the bait and hook in, because the hook is already pointing down in quite an aggressive way it will (hopefully) already take hold onto the bottom lip (as long as you have a sharp hook) as i say though i dont use it because quite honestly i agree with you

 

It's also to do with that fact that when fishing a critically balanced bait, you're taking the weight away from the shank/eye of the hook and making the point the heaviest part - which as you say makes the point naturally point downwards.

 

It's a rig that looks odd out of the water, but when you get how it works, is pretty clever

wouldnt just 2-3 turns on kk be the same...im yet to understand what the extra turns after the hair do???

[liamclose]

Forget rigs location location location. What angle your hair leaves

the hook should be the least of your worries if the fish are up the other end of the lake!

[lessthanphil]

as the fish takes the bait and hook in, because the hook is already pointing down in quite an aggressive way it will (hopefully) already take hold onto the bottom lip (as long as you have a sharp hook) as i say though i dont use it because quite honestly i agree with you

 

It's also to do with that fact that when fishing a critically balanced bait, you're taking the weight away from the shank/eye of the hook and making the point the heaviest part - which as you say makes the point naturally point downwards.

 

It's a rig that looks odd out of the water, but when you get how it works, is pretty clever

wouldnt just 2-3 turns on kk be the same...im yet to understand what the extra turns after the hair do???

 

As it's generally done with a soft material, that would quite possibly have the same effect! For some reason having that few turns down the shank would make me feel uneasy!