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The lads on my lake have used them for quite some time, the fish that were stocked a couple years ago were feed these at the farm they came from. I really like the look of the Master pellets the profile stacks up pretty well for all year round use.

Something like this would more than likely put some fish on the bank 350g LT94 250g CLO 100g CPSP 90 100g Acid Caesin 80g Lactalbumin 20g Kelp Pop down the supermarket and grab a bag of fine semolina and add it at 100g will give you a kilo, I suggest you mix it up and just try mixing a 1 egg mix first to make sure it binds ok. Just remember to post any fish in the Catch Report thread.

Looking at the description posted on here its protein profile will come from Pea Protein Isolate (PP and is used in the aquatic industry as a fishmeal replacement) combined with the refined milks which when used in combination (acid & rennet caesin produce a good profile when combined maybe even in conjunction with wpc80), the yeast willmore than likely be Brocacel (digestion aid) or i know some people that are utilising high Nucleotide Yeast (more solubility and amino profile). The cheese smell could be a good quality cheese powder (normally blue cheese powder) which was a in the original Grange Mix. Hope that helps.

I love a read of some the old carp fishing texts, whats your favourite 😀 Take it your not a fan of the current string of social media stars 🤣

Not a fan of the baiting pyramid then Seeing as the point of the forum is to share knowledge why don't you try enlightening us of some the less fashionable alternatives

Pretty much the same as Vik, I sometimes double bag to stop freezer burn but always add a drop of hydro to the bag before placing in the freezer, as they defrost the boilies draw the hydro in so your pumping out attraction from the off.

For these ones and this is aplicable to all anglers and all waters so here goes 1. People over using them can be bad for the fish as proven at Linear a couple of years ago when one lake had to be closed as they believe the condition of the fish was caused by the over use of maggots. 2. Zigs, as much as i love a zig, on a super busy water it must be like the sharks swimming through the mine field in finding nemo with all those lines up in the water, leading to a large quantity of foal hooked fish and damaged fish. 3. As much as its published that things have changed with shelfies some companies have invested in better methods of preserving but even with what we are sold by the marketing alot are still ploughing the potassium sorbate route, fish cosuming baits at high levels using this method have resulted in long term poor health and fish deaths (Anglers Mail did a study about 10 years ago the fish that were feed purely on shelf lifes from that era died) 4. Pure money making scam, the main base of most pellets on the market come from 2 or 3 companies. Hope this helps mate

Most of the bait industry use Titanium Dioxide for white but bot sure you will get it in a small enough quantity at a price that fits for this situation, CC Moore and AA Baits both do a non soluble white dye, the latter being cheaper. With your second paragraph , what are you wanting as your finished article, a pop up that looks like your free offerings or a bright one ?, also what levels and liquids are you using might help others offer some ideas.

Cork ball pop ups are probably best used to make match the hatch type pop ups where you can use your choosen mix paste to wrap around the cork ball, so the finished pop ups will be the same as the free offerings you are using. So if thats the way you like to present your hookbait, then they are probably the best method

Amazing angling Emm there's some serious looking fish in that collection

Forgot to add in the answer to the OP question the yellow ones contain a dark liquid

Disrupting the conversation flow a little but this is one of my extended D rigs with a size 6 Trig Hammer

You've probably already had the answer you need in the above posts. But in answer to your question it can dull the colour slightly if your using for example black liquid with a light coloured mix but not enough to effect the finished bait. I pick a colour/colours you want to make and buy the ready done coloured mix, if you need to get a dye to make a pink for example make sure its non soluble or it will just wash out (not all the peddled ones are non soluble). With the better dyes you need very little to get the colour you want. Im not a fan of cork ball pop ups but thats just because im never happy with my finished product, i use pop up mix. If your going to make your own i recommend nipping down the supermarket, visit the baking aisle and buy some sachets of whole egg white powder, one sachet per 100g of pop up mix used it just gives a nice hardened skin to the outside of the finished bait.

Not personally but one of our members used to work on the site where the factory is located that the ready mades are produced, Im sure he will have a rough idea even if he doesn't publisize it

Have my eyes gone funny. You've just said 1 of your fav writers is Rod (as is mine he was way ahead of his time) who's primary writings were about Bait and its application. I actually quite like Dave's writing style but thats down to personal choice.

Clearly haven't read Flick of the Tale, Dave actually says he doesn't know much about the make up of bait prefers to let someone else do that side for him as he is usually focused on other parts of his fishing. Chilly has stated that once he's out of the sponsored game he is going to write a book about all the behind the scenes stuff that goes on in the fishing industry. Both are great anglers though

Hmmm theres alot of rumours regarding Korda members going to baitworks due to bait quality issues (not my headline just whats circulating in the industry) Your not far wrong I don't think, and would reflect the listing on the bag. Maybe missing a bit of skimmed milk powder

No but close If your using a bait that depends on its liquid profile, then that part needs to be very attractive. Parma Ham is no longer available Campbells discontinued it but that did slot in the really good flavour band. Who mentioned a good bait needs to be expensive, there are loads of great baits around the £6-7 a kilo mark some even less. How many times its on the BAG!!!!!!!!!!!, they sell in europe therefore to meet regs for selling in the EU they have to list the ingredients. Nothing wrong with using whole egg powder, it sometimes used to aid quick attractor release and breakdown quite a few people use liquid egg. Used a lot by our friends on the continent in there baits.

Wont say which product this is analysis of but its from a lab test on a big bait companies product 25g citric acid50ml Water15ml Boiled Ham10ml Maple5ml E422 (Glycerol) Close enough for me, quantity is based around he amount of liquid tested. And the guy who tested does lab testing for a living, Cereals are bulking agents there is nothing in there nutritional profile a carp can process they simply do not have the requirements to do so, they are used in baits as they are cheap and although not directly bad for carp they just stinky winky it out because there is no gain in there. Nearly every ingredient in use has come from animal/aquatic feeds industry these industries are heavily regulated by DEFRA and any item used in feeds has to have a detailed spec sheet produced detailing exactly what is in that ingredient and the process that's been used to create it. From these sheets you can tell whether an ingredient is useful for a bait or not. CM is that you 😒

You taking your tablets this morning Dez Dont believe Vic stated what his ideal protein level is, I would guess its not above 50% as carp can only utilise around 38% in one passing, its not about protein % any way it about how well the fish can utilise the protein in a given product. No one mentioned halibut pellets Its on the BAG!!!, lab analysis can tell exactly whats in a given product. oh and Vic's lab used to be at Sparsholt College , before calling someone out do your ground work

Ok lets phrase it another way, how much of that £10 per kilo your paying is actually the bait ? , the cost of the mix has to be offset by packaging, marketing, cost of manafacture, supplying consultants. Not much of a margin left. There are better baits developed by better bait brains out there for half the cost. Companies like Essential and ABS have been built by 2 of the best guys in the bait business but I haven't seen B5 at £10 a kilo

So when you were listen you should have been told yeasts are mainly digestion aids well the one in Cell is, the key to the yeast type is in the name.

Hope they don't read the bag ;), bait companies send each others products for lab testing all the time mate, please don't think they don't If it works for you and your confident in it and happy with the price keep going with it Mufty, if you move between several waters on short sessions it could work out well using that sort of bait.

I really dont think it does, bites on my water have slowed right down, its designed attraction (its possible its an investigative trigger that it uses) will only appeal in the short term the base is minimal on the nutritional front but is digestable which might be another reason they keep picking it up, but they will soon work out there not gaining anything from eating it. That time frame though can vary from water type to water type, also how much of it a water is seeing might be a factor as well.

Looks like you didn't get the invite Nige 😂