Im back at this search for a couple of reels, seems every time i find a reel that may be right, its out of stock, i am only looking at new as my very old DAM quick 850`s are looking right scruffy.....but they still work even though getting badly corroded now, doing great for 18 years old, i do wonder if shimano reels would still be going strong at this age and never been opened up to service