salokcinnodrog

Never used anything but running inlines and razor sharp hooks, strangly enough never had a problem either

Well, that's food for thought. See the way I approach things now is, the next fish might be the catch of a life time, or the year, or the session, whatever, if there's even the remote chance of it not performing or failing then I want out! I tried a tail over a hook swivel, it seems on the face of it ok. But i can't help but think if you're unlucky when your fish is in a snag or weeds and manages to get lead hooked up long enough to head in the opposite direction to your mainline then conceivably it could slide off?

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Like Gary for a lot of years I used the stuff (and can "prove it" from old diaries), but did not realise the problems that go with it. Eventually after comments made by Goblin, Jemsue and some other people on here, and losing a fish, I decided to get into the water to prove or dispel the myths that I thought they were making up.
 
To my surprise I found all they said was true regarding splices, abrasion, twisting, kinking and preventing release and the problem of potential fish tethering.
 
Like Gary I also purchased some ready made leaders and the ends frayed away, even with a Needle knot, and on a cast the whole leader left the mainline. I had to go in to retrieve them as it was during the experiments I was running.
 
 
I had a BIG argument with a certain magazine and its editor about publishing leadcore rigs as I thought it was irresponsible, the whole e-mail saga went on for a month or so, and yet he didn't want me to publish or post his comments on here or any other forum. Then the magazine went onto do a "For and Against" debate, with Keith Moors and another name. I was accused of scaremongering, and told that the time I spent typing I didn't have time to do any actual fishing.
 
I remember the death of Arnie the Big Common at Linear (? the name of the lake I am not sure of), and being found tangled up in leadcore in snags on one of the lakes, then the same sort of death has happened to other fish since then; Grey Tail I believe was found dead wrapped up at Suffolk Water Park, and a couple of fish I have found myself (still living fortunately), and then Simon Crow decided to take the trouble to publicise a DEAD fish he retrieved wrapped up in a Leader. There was also another picture published on here and in magazines with a fish having taken a piece of plastic corn wrapped up in a bundle of lines (in plural), some of which were leadcore and leaders.
 
Gary,
I would be very interested in any photographs you have of your experiments. Might be worth posting on here, and sending to a magazine or 2 to see if they reply.
 
Incidentally the (13page) thread regarding my comments sent to the Magazine is still on the forum, and if anyone wants to have a read of the thread and the argument it turned into I will PM the search terms or the link if you want it.

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don't let anyone, especially youtube tell you how to fish.
finding what works best for you is part of the great adventure that is carp fishing, it is ok to take on board the advice doled out at the carp.com pulpit but i bet none of the die hards on here take the info gleaned and use it undiluted.
i'm not saying "don't ask for advice" because that would be stupid, even Dal, nick Tim or i have asked questions in the past, its how we learn.
most of us are 'time served' but we can still learn from others, i have 50+ years from canal for gudgeon to carp but you should have seen my face when i first saw the bungee rig a couple of months ago
bailiffs are only good for one thing and i will take that with a pinch of salt and that is bait info.
i will use rigs from 3" to as long as 2ft depending on the lake or method that i am using at the time.
enjoy your learning curve and tight lines

Absolutely. I've heard it said a million times since I came back to fishing. I was sat there on the day thinking, over there, over there is fish. That's where I ought to be. Then my other silly self denial side of my brain convinced me that, well, what if we're about to move off the path of the fish of the year? Of course, fishing I am learning has so much more self discipline, situational assessment, logical thinking than I think bad fisherman and non-fisherman realise.

I'll give you this, covering both hooklink and hair length;
 
My hook links are usually between 15-20 centimetres long, 6-9inches as most of the lakes and rivers I fish are pretty weed free, and I use running leads, which may mean I can get away with shorter rigs than if using semi-fixed leads.
 
My hair length is always changed dependant on where I am hooking (or losing) the fish.
 
I start off with the hair leaving the shank of the hook directly opposite the barb of the hook, and the hookbait about 5millimetres below the bend, hanging freely, not touching it.
 
If I start losing fish, or hooking them at the very edge of the mouth, then I lengthen the hair.
 
If I am hooking them deeply in the mouth, or can see the hook has scraped down inside before finding hold, I shorten the hair.
 
If the hook is dead centre of the bottom lip, hair length is spot perfect.
 
Some additionals for you though;
If you feed more particles, groundbait or pellets, a big bed of free bait, then you may need a shorter hair and hooklink than if you feed just boilies.
In other words, how you feed may also contribute to how long a hair or hooklink you use.
 
If you fish in weed, then you may need a shorter hair to keep the bait tight to the hook.
 
Finally, pop-ups are a different kettle of fish altogether, and in most cases, should i use a pop-up, then the bait is on an extremely short hair, more shank mounted than on a hair at all.

Location, location, location.
As far as it sounds, your only problem was that you were not in the swim next door. How many times I have been in a situation fishing 2 or 3 rods, and I have caught several fish all on the same rod. There are many many variables of location in your own swim, let alone comparing to the swim next door. I wouldn't beat yourself up, one fish is a successfull session, don't worry about what you did wrong, but try to realise everything that you did right.

I have 5 wraps around the spool ,as said above in case of cutting and retying.

i prefer a longer leader, so that when the lead is in position to cast, you have 5-7 turns on the spool at least. 2 reasons. You can afford to cut the ends off the leader every now and again if it gets damaged, or just to re tie knots, and it means the knot will be on the spool when you are netting the fish. Nothing worse to unnerve you, than the sound of a leader knot going through the rings up and down just as you are getting a fish in the net!

Nick, you're learning to relax and have a laugh. It's good to see, mate.
 
Ian

Aldeby Hall Fruit Farm Lakes, Beccles
5 small Pits: Otter - Crossing Water - Long Water - Round Water - Bridge Water .
 
Good treelined woody mixed fishery with variety of stocks and carp to 28lb plus.
Depths between 2 and 8 feet, and the water is normally well coloured. Wooden Stagings in all swims which cater for Disabled Anglers
Tickets from:Paul Gibbs - 01502 678121
1 rod £6 2 rods £9 3 rods £12 8am to 8 am includes night.
The lakes can be found on the A143 about a mile on the way to Aldeby.
 
Barford Lakes Fishery, Barford
There are four lakes at the main Barford Lakes Complex (which includes the Training Lake). Barford Pleasure Lake, 35 pegs,
Top Lake, 15/16 swims, Training Lake, 7 swims and the Match only Match Lake. Depths Range from 6 to 15feet deep. Carp are the Main species up to 20lb, although other species are present. Some of the lakes and pegs are suitable for Disabled Anglers
Contact: Barford Lakes and Tackle Shop, Chapel Street, Barford, Norwich, Norfolk NR9 4BJ Tel: 01603 759624
Email: sarah@barfordlakes.co.uk
Route: From Norwich follow the A47 towards Dereham, then take the B1108 towards Watton, then follow the signs to Barford.
After entering Barford on the B1108 you will see a pub called The Cock Inn and there is a Fiat garage opposite. Take the road opposite the pub which is Cock Street. Continue to the end and turn right at the T-junction and carry on through the village for about a quarter of a mile. You will then notice that on the right hand side the road is lined with oak trees. Keep looking to the right and you will see our 300-yard gravel driveway, signed Barford Lakes.
 
Bawburgh Lake Norwich
This 12 acre Gravel Pit varies in depth between 2 and 18 feet, offering a variety of shallow plateaux and deep gullies. The Carp are well into 20lb mark, as well as other species.
This is a Members only water of the Norfolk Anglers Consultative Association.
Route: From Norwich take the Dereham Road towards Bowthorpe, and turn left at the Bowthorpe Roundabout. Turn Right at the Traffic lights and proceed to the mini roundabout, take the right turn down the narrow Bawburgh Road. Bawburgh Lake is on the right of the track.
 
 
Blickling Lake Blickling near Aylsham, North Norfolk.
Set in the grounds of Blickling Hall, owned by the National Trust. This open water of over 20 acres is shallow and weedy at the hall end. Depths vary from 6ft to 10ft at dam wall end.Mixed Fishery with Bream, Roach, Tench and Carp to Double Figures.
No night fishing.TICKETS:£3.50 on the bank.CONTACT:01263 734181
 
Booton Clay Pit, Booton
This triangular tree surrounded pit is about 4 acres. There are beds of reeds topping the shallow bars. Carp run to over 30lb
Contact: Cawston Angling Club
Route: From Norwich take the road to Reepham. Just before Reepham village take the road to Haveringland and Buxton.
The pit is on the left after about one and a half miles, well hidden by a hedge of Tall Trees.
 
Common Charity Lakes, Lenwade
Situated on Lenwade Common these Lakes are controlled by Great Witchingham Fuel Allotment Charity, and comprise 3 lakes between 2 and 5 acres. Depths vary betweem 5 and 15 feet and the water is usually very clear. There are other species as well as Carp to 20lb+.
Route: From Norwich take the A1067 Fakenham road into Lenwade and then take the first left after the Village Bakery and Butchers shop. This leads directly to the fishery and Car Park.
 
Cobbleacre Lake, Hevingham Norwich
This is a complex of 3 gravel and Claypits varying in size between 3 1/2 acres and 1/4 acre.
The Largest lake varies in depth from 4 to 12 feet with carp to over 25lb. The other 2 are more General Coarse fisheries.
Route: From Norwich take the B1149 Holt Roadpassing through Horsford. 3/4 of a mile past the Shorthorm Crossroads turn right alongside the woodyard down Brick Kiln Road. The entrance to the lakes is on the right past Baileys Barn
 
Costessey Pits No2 and 3, Costessey
Owned by Anglian Water, these 2 pits are known as the Ski Pit (No2), where Water Skiing takes place and the Carp Lake (No3).
No2 is approximately 15acres and has depths between 8 and 12 feet. The water is usually well coloured and has Carp to over 30lb as well as other species. Level swims are provided for Wheelchair anglers near the Main Car Park. Day and Season Tickets are available
from Anglian Water Office at Taverham Mills.
No3 covers 6 acres and averages over 10 feet deep. The swims are cut in woodland around the margins of the lake.
The Carp go to over 40lb. There is a Syndicate on this lake.
Contact for both waters: Anglian Water 01603 861014.
Route: From Norwich take the Dereham Road towards the Norfolk Showground. At the Roundhouse pub turn right into Longwater Lane.
At the end by the school turn left and then take the next right turn towards Taverham. The Lakes are then on the right.
 
Cranworth/Woodrising Water Meadows
This 2 acre man made lake has 2 islands and is shaped like a figure of eight. Depths vary from 2-10feet and the water is well coloured.
There is a prolific stock of Carp to over 20lbs. Crayfish are also present in the water. Caravanners and Camp site is also available.
Route: From Norwich take the B1108 Watton road to Hingham, just beyond the village look out on the right for the road to Shipden, follow the Cranworth signs and the lake is near to Jubilee farm on the right.
 
Felmingham Mill LAKES, Aylsham.
Three lakes, depths vary from 3 to 10 feet and contain good stocks of Roach, Tench, Crucian Carp and some double figure Carp to 15lb
Day Ticket £3.50 and OAP £2.00 Tel. 01263 735106
 
Northfield Lakes (formerly Holmans Pits), Southery
Two well established oval shaped Clay Pits of around 1 and 11/2 acres. Depths vary between 2 and 7 feet. Carp to over 20lb and other species.
Day Tickets. Contact Tel 01366 377551
Route: From Downham Market take the A10 towards Ely for around 5miles and then turn into Southery on the B1386. Entrance to the lakes is the second farm turning on the left
 
Home Lake, Aylsham
Natural spring fed lake, 30 well laid out swims, sheltered. Carp to 32 lb, high average size (20+).
 
Taswood Lakes
This venue is a collection of 5 lakes, Heron, Broadwing and Spring Lakes all contain some nice carp but Broadwing contains probably the largest of the carp including all the strains mirror's, common's and some great grass carp. All the lakes contain large grass carp so for anyone seeking a big grassie the perhaps is no better place to have a go than this venue
Route: From Norwich take the A140 to Newton Flotman, then the right turn to Flordon. After about a mile and a half take the left turn to Tasburgh, the lakes are on the left.
 
Taverham Mills Lake, Taverham
Controlled by Anglian Water This beautiful 20acre Lake is almost completely Tree lined, and has extensive Lily Beds. The depths range from 3 feet down to 15foot. As well as Tench and Bream to Double figure there are Carp to over 30lb. Tickets are available from the Fishery Lodge/ Tackle Shop on site. Facilities include Holiday Lodges, Tackle Shop and Toilet. There are both Season and Day Tickets available.
Contact: Anglian Water Tel 01603 861014. www.taverham-mill.com
Route: from Norwich take the A1067 Fakenham Road into Drayton, and turn left immediately after the Petrol Station. Follow this road
into Taverham until you reach the Crossroads. The Fishery is then on the left right next to the Prepatory School at the end of a long drive.
 
Thompson Water, near Merton, Norwich
This huge reed lined lake of over 30acres is for the most part between 2 and 5 feet deep, although there are holes to over 10 feet deep.
As well as Carp to over 20lbs there are other species.
Contact: Tel: 01953 883370
Route: From Norwich, take the B1108 Watton Road into Watton, then the B1110 road into Merton and through into Thompson Village.
Turn down Marlpit Lane on the rightand carry on down to the unmade Peddars way (Roman Road), and the lake is on the left.
 
University Broad Lake Norwich
This 10 acre Gravel Pit is the only large fishable stillwater actually inside the City Boundary of Norwich.
Depths range from 4 to 20 feet, with deep water around much of the margins. As well as Rudd, roach, Tench and Bream, there are Carp to over 20lb.
This Lake is controlled by the University of East Anglia, and is Members Only.
Contact: Mr. Paul Fountain, Finance Division, The Registry,University of East Anglia, Norwich, Norfolk, NR4 7TJ
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~e419/ueasaac/welcome.html
Route: Take the B1108 Watton Roadfrom the Centre of Norwich and then turn left into Bluebell road in Earlham Village.
The University and the Broad can be seen in the Yare valley on the right.
 
Waveney Valley Lakes Wortwell
This complex is probably the best stocked group of Carp Fisheries in East Anglia. Heartsmere, Yew Tree, Marsh Lake, and the Alphabetically named lakes. Depths range from 3 to 12 feet deep over the complex. Many of the Lakes contain Carp to over 30lb.
On site there are full facilities, Tackle shop, showers, toilets etc. There are Caravans to hire as well as Day Ticket Lakes.
Route: From Norwich take the A140. After Long Stratton take the left turn to Pulham Market, continue along this road, the B1134into Harleston, and then take the road into Wortwell village. The Lakes are well signposted and in the centre of Wortwell on the right.
 
Wensum Fisheries, Costessey
Four well established old gravel working lakes in the Wensum Valley, varying in size between 2 and 10 acres, with depths to 14 feet.
Clear Water Lake and Rainbow Pool hold Carp amongst other species.
This fishery is controlled by Norwich and District Angling Association.
Route: Take the Dereham Road from Norwich City Centre until the Roundhouse Public House and Longwater Lane on the right.
Follow the road to the end and turn left, then take the next right towards Taverham. The Lakes entrance is on the right, actually between the entrances to Costessey No2 and No3 Pits.
 
I do have a list of other venues, if anyone would like to PM with updated contact information etc I look forward to adding it to these:
 
Wallnut Tree Farm Pool Attleborough Blickling Lake Aylsham Stonegate Lake Aylsham Felmingham Mill Lake Aylsham Home Lake Aylsham Little Lake Land Bungay Chapel Road Lake Cromer Granary Lakes Dereham Dereham Tatts Pit Downham Market Fakenham Willsmore Water Fakenham Gimmingham Lakes Gimmingham Great Melton Reservoir Great Melton Pentney Carp Lakes Kings Lynn Tottenhill Pit Kings Lynn Fosters End Pit Kings Lynn Wood Lakes Kings Lynn West Lexham Moat Kings Lynn Marlingford Mere Norwich Shallow Brook Carp Lake Norwich Reepham Fisheries Norwich Ringland Lakes Norwich Lyng Easthaugh Pits Norwich Bramley Lake Norwich Felthorpe Lakes Norwich Haveringland Lake Norwich Bridge Lake Norwich Abbey Waters - Buckenham Norwich Ling Gravel Works Norwich Bedingham Pit Pit Shippham Geens Pit Snetterton Chiswick Pit Stow Bardolph Little Dunham Carp Lakes Swaffham Bradmoor Lakes Swaffham Billingford Pit Swanton Scottow Pond Swanton Abbot Nunnery Lakes Thetford Highfield Fisheries Thorpe Abbots Holkham Hall Lake Wells-next-the-sea Beeston Lake Wroxham Hoveton Hall Lake

A swan vesta box ?

Silicone tubing, I managed to get a large amount in olive green and clear from Mo's co before he disappeared, and as of yet, don't need to get anymore.
 
As for shrink tubing, I don't get that from a tackle shop, I go to Maplins and look carefully at the sizes before I purchase what I want. I say that, cos I can't remember what sizes they do, but know it is usually the smallest available that I want.
I don't care that along its length it does have some white writing or printing, cos while the carp are busy trying to squint and read what it says, they are also sucking my bait into their mouth

Silicone tubing, I managed to get a large amount in olive green and clear from Mo's co before he disappeared, and as of yet, don't need to get anymore.
 
As for shrink tubing, I don't get that from a tackle shop, I go to Maplins and look carefully at the sizes before I purchase what I want. I say that, cos I can't remember what sizes they do, but know it is usually the smallest available that I want.
I don't care that along its length it does have some white writing or printing, cos while the carp are busy trying to squint and read what it says, they are also sucking my bait into their mouth

Silicone tubing, I managed to get a large amount in olive green and clear from Mo's co before he disappeared, and as of yet, don't need to get anymore.
 
As for shrink tubing, I don't get that from a tackle shop, I go to Maplins and look carefully at the sizes before I purchase what I want. I say that, cos I can't remember what sizes they do, but know it is usually the smallest available that I want.
I don't care that along its length it does have some white writing or printing, cos while the carp are busy trying to squint and read what it says, they are also sucking my bait into their mouth

Silicone tubing, I managed to get a large amount in olive green and clear from Mo's co before he disappeared, and as of yet, don't need to get anymore.
 
As for shrink tubing, I don't get that from a tackle shop, I go to Maplins and look carefully at the sizes before I purchase what I want. I say that, cos I can't remember what sizes they do, but know it is usually the smallest available that I want.
I don't care that along its length it does have some white writing or printing, cos while the carp are busy trying to squint and read what it says, they are also sucking my bait into their mouth

Silicone tubing, I managed to get a large amount in olive green and clear from Mo's co before he disappeared, and as of yet, don't need to get anymore.
 
As for shrink tubing, I don't get that from a tackle shop, I go to Maplins and look carefully at the sizes before I purchase what I want. I say that, cos I can't remember what sizes they do, but know it is usually the smallest available that I want.
I don't care that along its length it does have some white writing or printing, cos while the carp are busy trying to squint and read what it says, they are also sucking my bait into their mouth

I have nothing against DF or Korda, but I do dislike some of their gear and some of their statements etc.
Dany has a remarkable talent for marketing and making people take note and he certainly makes money,for that I praise him.
But I dislike it when I here them state that one of their sponsered anglers or company members have designed a rig or even an item of tackle and its not true, eg Krusher, anyone who has been in a cocktail bar will have seen them used and years before Korda, their hook paterns etc.
And then rigs etc, take a look at the naked chod that according to their tv programs, was developed by one of theirs, it was being used and written about on this forum years ago, etc etc
I have yet to see anything done by them that was not described or used before and if they then market it to the masses, so be it, however they should not claim its their idea, but the law being what it is they can do it and get away with it as normal mortal anglers do not have the finances to pay for filling patents.

My view, you only need a leader when casting to the max, absolute distance casting in weed free clear waters.
 
All leaders increase the risk of tethering fish, and create another weak spot in the line as on most occasions, that is where it breaks.
 
If there are any snags or weed etc, then use a mainline suitable for it. Accept you can't cast as far, and don't put fish at risk of tethering.

My view, you only need a leader when casting to the max, absolute distance casting in weed free clear waters.
 
All leaders increase the risk of tethering fish, and create another weak spot in the line as on most occasions, that is where it breaks.
 
If there are any snags or weed etc, then use a mainline suitable for it. Accept you can't cast as far, and don't put fish at risk of tethering.

If you're adding an additional knot to the line which has left your spool there is additional risk that it can snap, no matter what. 
If you want to go down that route then you have to decide how big the additional risk is and if you are prepared to accept it.
 
If you decide to try it; I'd put on about 20 foot of fluoro. Should give you a nice big zone for feeding.

The first thing to consider whilst deciding to use a leader is,Is it absolutely necessary. If you are not fishing at long range, upping the diameter of your mainline should be deemed a first option. If fishing in dense weed, a braid mainline is a well worthy and possibly the best option. This is due to its ' cutting through the weed capabilities ' , direct pull, bite indication etc.
I sometimes use 20lb Xline as a leader of about 6ft to 8ft . This is when using a helicopter rig in light weed in gin clear water. Obvious reasons being that it sinks like a brick and hides better than my mainline, and it's strong enough to take the strain of pull on the swivel whilst playing a fish. Sometimes I use a 3in leadcore leader so that the swivel can slide down and position itself onto that. When using an helicopter rig in weed, I use 3lb line to tie my lead on and korda no trace beads as fish safety is of paramount.
When respooling flourocarbon mainline, ensure that it goes on without any twist. It then needs a good good stretch . I go to the local fields early in the morning to avoid dog walkers. I take a rod, reel and my spools along with a Bivvy peg. I walk it out 100 yards or so , peg it down ,walk back and give it a big stretch. I the release it from the peg , walk back and wind in the limp line. I do this 3 times per spool. Hence the early morning lol. It's worth doing this excercise after each fishing trip for at least the first 3 times of use. Or when ever it starts misbehaving. I do it with mono mainline also as I do suffer from line twist from time to time. This excercise resets your line so to speak.

I use some Korda gear, in particular n-trap coated braid (which I love) and I do posses a Krusher (although I haven't used it yet). I tried some of their dark matter rig putty but didn't find it as good as Heavy Metal so won't use it again.
The only problem I have is whenever I think of Korda I tend to think "Chav".

I'm not a fan at all but , credit where its due , DF has built that company up from making his own leads & flogging em from his van to what it is today .
His products on the other hand , i feel , leave a lot to be desired .
I have felt let down by the quality of some of the Korda tackle in the past so i tend to avoid now since there are better products on the market that are cheaper .
Having said that , i use his stow indicators and his Krusher , both wonderful items .
 
I love the rigz section of the K website . Its clear concise and easy to understand and i can use it to utilise my Gardner , Esp , fox and other numerous hooks and terminal tackle .