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Thanks for this Nick. It does not say what size the stock fish they introduced were, and i do wonder if they are simply guessing about the originals that escaped the netting, but as you said i would have thought they might be difficult to net anyway. Once we can get some idea of the size of the stock, it might be worth arranging a social down there. From memory if they are talking about Days Lake then there were only 7 Carp in the Lake anyway, until a couple of the 30's died. There is a massive Gravel Bar that goes across the Lake that probably didn't help with any nettingof the venue. I did just try to visit the website to see what has happened about the other Lakes on the complex, but at the moment either my PC is playing Silly or the Interweb is playing up, "Cannot Find Server"

Who says I fish it only as a Fixed position rig even over gravel? My dislike of the Name "Chod" rig It is a rotary style rig and lead set-up, Bomb-on-the-end-of-the-line or Helicopter set-up. Fair enough. I thought you didn't like the 'Silt' rig, regardless of what you're fishing over, or did you mean the Rotary set-up in weed? I dislike the name Chod Rig, and I don't like the rotary set-up in weed. A Rotary style set-up used in the right place/situation is not a problem.

Who says I fish it only as a Fixed position rig even over gravel? My dislike of the Name "Chod" rig It is a rotary style rig and lead set-up, Bomb-on-the-end-of-the-line or Helicopter set-up.

Im sorry but if I read you right you surmise that a "chod" fishes the bait off the ground? If this is your thought you are sadley wrong,the "chod" fishes the bait directly on the soft surface of silt,silk weed etc,whereas other rigs could pull the bait under the surface. Big fish rigs do not exist,the way you can fish might be big fish selective. I see what yo're saying there, but the mechanics of the rig as I spoke of them were on a clean gravel/clay etc bottom, sorry for not pointing that out I realise the chod rig will not be brilliantly effective on this sort of bottom, as it was designed for silt/weed but it was just an example How much difference does the Lead set-up make on a Gravel bottom. A Helicopter rig can fish, in theory, any bottom make-up, although I don't like Rotary style rigs in weed (we've had that discussion before). An Inline or Pendant Lead could drag the Rig into silt, in fact so could a Silt set-up if the Rig itself is too short. I'm differentiating between the Hooklink mechanics and Lead set-up as the 2 are actually separate, but can be conjoined in relation to each other. Do Pop-up rigs become more Big Fish selective dependant on height above the lakebed? What is the easiest way to be Big Fish selective? According to Rod Hutchinson, the answer is to "Do a Fred". Make the bait so big that only a Big Fish can get the Bait into its mouth

I have no problem with that. You know what you're doing, unlike someone new to the game that sees the rig in a mag. Plus i don't like apples You know my theories on how rigs are used. The Bent Hook rig and 360rig, published in the Magazines and every man and his dog gets onto them then Mouth damage occurs because they are not being used in the correct context. A rig is designed in most cases for the Fish in a particular water and how those fish feed (the bent hook rig for Longfield I believe), then word gets out for whatever reason. I don't think that a type of rig is responsible for Bigger fish, but Rig lengths may have some bearing (thoughts running round my head I'll try to put into words at a later time). True_Carp_king, Don't think in terms of a particular rig first; look at how fish feed, how they behave, whether they are "suckers and blowers" or whether they actually pick up the bait. The Lake Bed, whether clean, silt, gravel or sand etc. A fish that Picks up the bait may get hooked on a rig designed for a Carp that sucks and blows, yet the Carp that sucks and blows may not be hooked on a rig designed for fish that pick up the bait (Over weighted or Critical balancing). That could be complicated by the Lakebed in any particular area as the same Carp may feed differently on a different type of bottom. That should define your thinking on a rig. Want to go have a read of the Complicated rigs thread? http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=9536

Is Fluorocarbon acceptable? Or does it have to be Mono? I got some Ultima Power Plus in 12lb and Berkeley XL in for Mono hooklinks, and for floater fishing. In the Fluorocarbon I got some of the Carp-r-Us Clearwater in 12lb. I know that a fair number of the anglers who use Mono for hooklinks do use the same line as their Mainline

When I used to pay for the stuff the ELC was my purchase point. Since then I know that a lot of companies use the Corn/Maize /Starch foam as environmentally friendly packing. So I made sure that I got a dustbin bag for free.

And a lot of Carp with wind I always wondered why they bubbled so well

Ringland has now been re-opened by Cemex Weblink to the Cemex details of the venue: Ringland Details (click here)

Go to cemex site and work your way through the venues http://www.cemexangling.co.uk Hertfordshire or Bedfordshire?

I have rempved some links from these posts Pleaase remember :

You can grease the hooklink to make it float (mucilin or vaseline), although the last little bit near the hook you may want to sink anyway I do have a successful little rig/hook set-up that the line is held above the water near the hook with a controller or freeline set-up It was kind of featured in a ACF magazine article recently anyway , although I do it slightly differently

I have a question on this and it bugs me. So Lead weights are banned above size 8 shot and below 1ounce, so how come we use Lead wire to wrap around the hooklink or for pop-ups? To be honest because of this I've started confusing myself, but also rubbing hooklinks in putty to weight them down rather than putting lead wire around them.

Which is why: With a paternoster you do have to strike the hook in. It is NOT a self hooking rig.

The high point of the tubing I always make face forward. So the high point of the tubing is on the hookpoint side. Fishingaddict, I will disagree with you. It doesn't always, and I know that for a fact, cos I actually get in the water to check. I lost 2 fish this week where the hook hadn't flipped round properly. I will state it may also depends on hook size, but in the case this week I was using size6 Centurions, where I hadn't had a problem previously, but different fish can deal with different rigs in different ways

Not sure how much was covered in that Complicated Rigs thread about Paternosters, so I'll say I tend to use 8lb Line for the Lead link, but to make sure that it is a Weak link I normally tie a couple of overhand knots in it. If you make an overhand loop knot at either end and have either a Run Ring or swivel able to go up and down the Mainline, then you can change the Lead or even the Whole Lead link and go back to a Running Lead. Length will usually be about 20centimetres long for me, but it is easy to play around with to find what works best for you. Hooklinks I tend to stick to what I normally use, Braid or coated braid, unless I'm fishing for Tench or Bream then I go back to Mono (don't ask, don't know why ). The whole lot is normally pretty tangle free, especially with a PVA Bag, or even Mesh. What I tend to do with Mesh is to stick the hook in the end, and then at the other end where I can't get an overhand knot tight I Split the PVA Down, so that I can overhand knot the 2 "flaps", I think I put a better description on 1 of the PVA threads somewhere. (probably on this: http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=27183 )

Basil was landed at over 40lb on 6lb line. You've probably now discovered why it is better to tie your own rigs. If its anyones fault then if you lose a fish it is only your own. There are a fair number of threads on questions about tying your own rigs or whether to buy Ready Made, and my answer is always the same. Buy one to learn, then make them yourself. You cannot change what you have with a Ready Tied, except shorten it. Yet how you fish you may need to lengthen the rig or hair yourself, so by being able to tie your own you can adapt what you are doing.

That to me is the best answer so far,and if more people thought like that it would make my job on riggy waters far harder. Yes we all know that tackle catches anglers,however it also catches fish. You need to taylor your gear to where you fish,simple realy Frank, Just for you and how far I tailor my rigs to the lakebed. This is from the lake today. The straight (ish) line 90 degrees to the base of the pic is actually a reed stem. The lake was a bit murky, it is normally a brownish peaty hue, so this pic is not too clear, even if only taken from a metre away. The only thing that you can possibly make out is the red blob of a Hookbait. The Rig itself is toatlly camouflaged into the bottom. Correction I can actually make out the lead! You actualy got yourself out on the bank Nick I new this without seeing the photo,how?well I know you are one of the few thinking anglers out there. My point earlyer was I agreed with you on that at some point be prepaired to be different. This cannot be done if you dont have the equipment to be different. I know 100% if anybody fishes an unfished water with a standard hair rig setup,then they will truely reap the rewards. However if you try the same setup on a heaverly fished water with big carp,then you will fail the majority of the time. I fish some waters where the carp have seen everything,if you fish with any of the rigs you see in the mags/books/forums etc you will catch,but not regulary. If you sit back and think, then use materials and setups you know the carp have not seen before you will catch on a regular basis. In the past few years I have proved this time and time again. Indeed I did, and half knackered myself in the process. Was at work in London for 10am ish, and back to Ipswich in time for 7pm. Quick dinner and fishing by 9pm (that included getting to the lake) Problem is I wasn't different enough and suffered 2 hookpulls on standard Knotless Knot tied rigs. Changed the hair length between hookpulls, (it was on the same rod ), or actually removed 1 of the baits so that I had a longer hair. The hook wasn't turning in properly, so I need to adapt what I'm doing. Already got the rigs tied, but I wanted to be sure that what was happening was a hook turning problem rather than just "1 off" hookpull.

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That to me is the best answer so far,and if more people thought like that it would make my job on riggy waters far harder. Yes we all know that tackle catches anglers,however it also catches fish. You need to taylor your gear to where you fish,simple realy Frank, Just for you and how far I tailor my rigs to the lakebed. This is from the lake today. The straight (ish) line 90 degrees to the base of the pic is actually a reed stem. The lake was a bit murky, it is normally a brownish peaty hue, so this pic is not too clear, even if only taken from a metre away. The only thing that you can possibly make out is the red blob of a Hookbait. The Rig itself is toatlly camouflaged into the bottom. Correction I can actually make out the lead!

It seems that text talk is becoming the norm on here now. I wouldn't even bother answering a post when the person writing can't be bothered to use the English language It was a year ago that the post was made And must of been one I missed as even then if I did see it I would have deleted it!

Suggestion for you, go to the Advanced Carp Fishing section, and read through a thread called "Complicated Rigs": http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=9536 It can be a bit heavy at times and some of us really went into it, rig length, how fish feed, rig lengths, simple or complicated, lead set-up the works. 6 pages of what may be very thought provoking ideas and thoughts

It may well be the type of knot you used. Different materials require different knots. Some monos will accept a Blood Knot, yet try that with most fluoros and it will snap every time. It may well be that the figure of 8 knot is not suitable for Dacron, you may have to find an alternative. What who anyone suggest and I will try it, I really like the material except the breakages , so if I can continue to use I would be happy Have a look at splicing, I think from memory that Dacron can be spliced Also the Grinner or Uni knot for Dacron

It may well be the type of knot you used. Different materials require different knots. Some monos will accept a Blood Knot, yet try that with most fluoros and it will snap every time. It may well be that the figure of 8 knot is not suitable for Dacron, you may have to find an alternative.

That may work out more expensive! With Ready Made (shop bought) rigs you can not change the things that you may need to to put fish on the bank. Learn to tie your own as quickly as possible The things you need to change are usually the rig length or the hair length. You may be able to shorten a shop bought/ready made rig rig, but you sure as heck can't lengthen it. If you are losing fish to hookpulls or hooking them in the extremity of the lip, then you will likely need to lengthen a rig or hair. I find braid actually easier to tie knots with because it is more supple, and I haven't changed how I tie my rigs in over 16years.