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Most people fish semi-fixed leads, so I want to be different, and I think that running leads give increased indication and proper screamers.

Tel, Thank you for the consideration of the thoughts posted. Unfortunately I believe that manufacturers are sometimes pushed into releasing products without due consideration, fashion or maybe because of "fish at all costs". I'll post this pic again as it shows my standard lead set-up, a running lead going up and down tubing, although the rig is "top secret" As you can see on this occasion I hadn't pinned the tubing down with putty, although sometimes I do, it depends on whether I feel that the fish are spooking off the tubing if it has raised off the lakebed. Looks good i personally wudnt be confident with such a long hair but im sure u have reasons for this, would u use this set up with slack lines? as its a running rig I'll let you into a secret, Long Hairs work better than short ones in most cases And what is a tight line? I haven't used tight lines for years unless the conditions are so bad that I can't them them slack. A running rig is only a running rig if it is fished with a slack line.

The set-up pictured above works for pop-ups or bottom baits, and over various types of lakebed Just tie a rig to suit how you think is best

Tel, Thank you for the consideration of the thoughts posted. Unfortunately I believe that manufacturers are sometimes pushed into releasing products without due consideration, fashion or maybe because of "fish at all costs". I'll post this pic again as it shows my standard lead set-up, a running lead going up and down tubing, although the rig is "top secret" As you can see on this occasion I hadn't pinned the tubing down with putty, although sometimes I do, it depends on whether I feel that the fish are spooking off the tubing if it has raised off the lakebed.

I don't use a leader, EXCEPT where I am distance casting. I use straight through mainline with the last 30centimetres protected by tubing. For Silt/Helicopter rigs get a piece of RIGID tubing of between 1-5cms, a rubber bead (2 if you want it to be able to slide up and down the line, or use a tail rubber to hold the tubing in place), a bullet buffer bead or tail rubber, and a ring swivel. Tie your rig onto the swivel as normal, and use the ring on the swivel to go onto the rigid tubing. Put the rubber bead onto the tubing to hold the rig in place, and then push the tubing into the tail rubber or bullet bead. You can either tie the lead on or use a quick link style clip, and the bullet bead protects the knot. If it is free running the tubing can slide up and down the mainline. It CAN also be used with a leader, and because the rubber bead (NOT glued into place), will eject off the tubing in the event of a snap-off, the ring swivel and rig can also be ejected. Aside from the fact that I had been playing with a rig set-up using hooks that are over 10years old to give me an idea, this is still pretty much my current set-up for sliding or helicopter set-ups

No, I'm not misunderstanding. And in this case it wasn't Leadclip it was a Safezone Helicopter leader, where the rig should be able to be ejected. Shockleader, the only need for a leader, absolute distance casting, and NOT if there are snags!

Please, I have retrieved a Safezone leader and attached mainline (measured in terms of 10's of metres) that the lead could not release, was totally jammed up in weed, and the rig could not release. I tried, the bailiff at Suffolk Water Park tried, and between us we could not get anything to release until we gripped the lead in pliers, and twisted the whole lot free. If a fish had taken the attached plastic hookbait that was one tethered fish! In my view the only place for any leader is for extreme distance casting, and then if any snags are present, forget it and accept that you aren't going to cast as far. Leader or not: http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=32598

Tel Not just that, any leadcore leader where the lead is fished Pendant style or inline is a complete danger to the fish and is an accident waiting to happen I.e a tethered fish. The leadcore will always be trailing in the event of a snap-off, leading to the potential for the fish to get tethered. For ESP or any manufacturer to release such a product is beyond belief, shows how little that fish care is thought about, and is completely irresponsible Jez, I believe it was a Pendant leadcore set-up that you or Mach3 pulled in at Merrington, complete with fish attached and trailing a rig? Leaders or not: http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=32598

And do NOT have anything in common with their name, i.e, they are NOT safe! On a query note, why do you think that you need a leader? At anything over 40metres the line is going to arc down from the rod tip to the lakebed. A leader serves no useful purpose, and does not hide the line anyway in most cases.

I've used putty on the tubing at the rod end for years, but I do make sure that if I do the Running Ring can get over it with no problems. Not with a running lead, it is actually more instant. If you go to the Lead Set-up or Semi-fixed vs Running threads in Rig Tying Stickies, there is a fair bit of information on them about how a running lead will give more instant indication I accept the fact that there is also slightly more resistance with tubing and a running lead than there is with no tubing and running leads

There are many rigs about that are designed for particular fish, or for particular waters; 360, Bent hook, Withy Pool rig etc. The problems come when every man and his dog use them for every fish that swims. Used in the right situation, for the larger fish they will usually cause absolutely no problems (that is NOT condoning there use), but when every fish that picks up the bait is nailed, then mouth damage can occur, especially more so with smaller fish that often feed and get hooked more. I know that a number of people dislike Longshank hooks for mouth damage, but then many who use them are fishing for smaller fish. Yet there are Big Name anglers who use them specifically for larger fish (over 25lbs for example), and the problem is not evident. In most cases, simple is best, a knotless knotted or line aligned rig with a supple hair is probably the most effective catcher going, even a supposedly inefficient rig can be made effective, by how you get the fish feeding.

Actually I'd bin the lead clips, I hate the darn things The stuff you have to habd will be fine for plenty of rigs, although as BBJ says, swivels are easy and handy. A truthful answer for you, keep your rigs as simple as possible, in most cases simply a knotless knotted rig will do for pop-ups or bottom baits in various types of hooklink material

I think I overcomplicated myself at the time with piddling about with rigs years ago. On the water I was fishing it produced my 1st ever 20 and a couple of other fish, but I was not putting the bait in the right place. Basically at the time I was out of my depth on the lake, so if I had put a BOG standard rig in the same place it may well have worked. I guess I was following fashion instead of my eyes

I made the mistake of selling some of my fishing books on e-bay, although for some reason I still have the Anglers Mail/Andy Little one, probably 'cos I realised no-one would buy it He did do a good chapter on Savay in Big Fish From Famous Waters by Chris Turnbull as well, although I don't think he has ever been particularly photogenic. I think I kind of preferred the caricature of Randy Spittle.

Dan, I cheated, I still have my copy of Andy Littles Guide to Big Carp Fishing. (sorry I missed a word out of the title in original post), so I was able to dig it out and quote it word for word. I remember the baitless hook as well, but more from a CarpWorld article, I think fishing hemp?

Andy Littles Exploding Stringer system from the Andy Littles Guide to Carp Fishing: An idea for you though, try putting some boilies in boilie mesh, but tighten it down and knot it so tight that you are stretching the mesh. As it dissolves it may well do the same thing with less effort

Hate to burst your bubble, but its pretty similar to that were being used YEARS ago. The hair coming out of the back of the tubing I used in 1993(?) on Weybread, albeit it with a Drennan Super Specialist, now curved hooks just give it a new dimension. In fact I even extended the idea slightly with a rig ring being attached out of the tubing on the shank, which I think is something like the Savay looney rig, and there was also a sliding version

A 5cm square block in a kilo of groundbait turns the carp on big time on one of my locals. It even got to the stage that we actually ground up Belachan and put it neat into PVA bags with the hookbait. The carp really loved it, couldn't get enough of it. You should have seen them tearing into a block that I dropped into the margins.

Moved to Book Review section, cos when you have finished it you will write a review, then you will let me borrow it (permanently )

I read Behind the Rods, and I have to say it was a book I wanted to finish. It took me 2 evenings from start to finish While it is a carp fishing related book, and those I will read, I don't think it will be a classic. Must admit though that the grammar is a lot better than many carp articles in the magazines.

Yare and Wensum Carp have definitely come out on boilies ...and bread, casters, sweetcorn and chick peas. I was putting boilies in in the old marina when they moved in to spawn (over 20 years ago ), so I'm pretty positive they recognise them. It is all going to be down to location and what you can find out, and some of that is going to have to be experimental fishing in various places

The bream move around in reasonable size shoals, the carp tend to stay as individuals, except for spawning time. Oh and I would suggest avoiding anything meaty as you have the bootlace eels, which although in decline, still love those maggots and casters in summer

For pop-ups I much prefer an out turned eye on the hook. With the pop-up being mounted close to the shank on a short hair, basically a hair but the same as the bait being shank mounted, I think the out turn offers a better presentation. When it comes down to bottom baits the current fashion for curved shanks seems to offer a good presentation sometimes without the need for a line aligner, although I do like the straight shank hooks if I can create the line aligner using tubing (either silicon or shrink). Certain waters have a need for different rigs, and in that, a different hook pattern. I still have a number of rigs tied up with Kamasan B175's, and I find that they are extremely good hookers as the inturned eye forces the hook to turn very quickly. The main use to me for an inturned point is when gravel and hook blunting is a problem. I think a lot of hook patterns and use is fashion (Tin Hat being fitted), and about what is written in magazines. If we all used the standard Drennan Super Specialists, (even with that nice bright finish), we would still hook and land fish.

You've not seen the Yare, very few fish for a massive area. The fish can get from the Wensum New Mills Yard in Norwich, down to the junction of the 2 rivers, and back up to the last Mill on the Yare to basically Great Yarmouth with nothing to stop them. The river itself is 10metres deep in places as there are occasional freight carrying ships going up and down it. While Whitlingham is just part of it, they don't always stay there, same as the bream, and boy did I try. You also have the pub downstream from Postwick/Trowse side, Bramerton Woods End where they have been known to show, but that used to be set aside for Water Skiers on certain times and days. Biggest I had was only double figures, and came from the Riverside Road stretch in the City (Wensum) by accident in the winter when I was fishing casters on the stick for Roach, but I have seen a lot bigger near The Compleat Angler (while I was having a drink waiting for a train). A boat will save you a lot of travelling and set-up time, and is invaluable for access to areas where parking near the bankside is limited. In fact only Norwich, Thorpe, Woods End, Griffin Marina and then down to Surlingham offer much bankside access. Also some carp have also been landed in the Yare matches down near Cantley near the Sugar Beet Factory, nothing massive on the tackle intended for bream and roach. The flow down there can be absolutely awesome when the tide turns.