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careful @yonny that might be misunderstood as everything else has been so far

If any dedicated carp fishery in the UK bans leads next year I'll eat my hat lol

I said to my daughter after cake gate, do you think it will catch me a fish today ? No Do you think daddy will ever catch a fish ? No She is nothing if not consistent

A debate is a discussion buddy, exchanging ideas and opinions. What forums are for. Your posts cite your opinion as gospel and take offence to anyone that attempts to question your beliefs. It's about as far from a debate as you can get imo. Further to that, you really need to keep any hypocrisy in check (that's not intended as an insult buddy, just an observation); that last post accuses Nick of being rude for assuming where you fish/what you catch, and then goes on to do just that in return. Think of this as constructive criticism, it's not intended as an insult. You've popped up on various forums and it seldom lasts more than a few days before you get banned. At some point you have to acknowledge it's you at fault and not the rest of the online community. You need to adapt buddy because it looks to me like it's heading that way already.

Hopefully one day you will catch then. Different feeding situations, different lakes and lakebeds, even angling pressure may mean you need to change your rig(s), from hooklink material to rig length. I wouldn't fish a combi-rig over weed, whereas I would over gravel. In weed I will likely want a braided rig, whereas on gravel I might want a short stiff rig if I am feeding heavily. If all anglers are fishing rigs between 6-8inches, I might well want something longer or shorter.

I want to share this recipe with you all as I mucked about with it for YEARS (and I do mean years). It suits carp fishing only, binds amazingly, fishes with any boilie and hookbaits (no flavour clashes possible) and they love it! (If you do catch a giant roach on it, don't sue me)! I love groundbait, I use tiny amounts just to spread a bit of extra attraction on the spots. I really believe it works best in small amounts, I bring 700g (one third of the mix) with me over three days, the idea being just pinging out or (better) throwing a few tiny, large boilie sized balls every now and again, sly, stealthy, sneaky.. People think of groundbait as sloshing in bucketloads, welcome rudd and pike is all I have to say about that! Anyway here it is: Two tub of Paxo breadcrumbs (227g per tub). Ace consistent quality, super binding quality (guten), attraction in its own right; Golden all the way as it has magical paprika and turmeric added and the colour is just ''well carpy''! 500g squashed frozen boilie, flavour of no consequence whatsoever as long as it's a favourite of yours (the salty additives will preserve the mix in the fridge indefinitely, so no need for yukky preserved shelf life boilies) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 300g tinned corn with juice, (be exact, eat the spares, Lidl do 300g gross weight own brand tins) 710g tin Bait Tech Super Seed Parti Mix (legenday superb completely nut free blend, mushy consistency makes the mix perfect and bind beautifully). I use about five tins a year so I don't care about cost effectiveness of it Vs. home cooked or bulk. I can't think of anything more mundane than cooking bait, and besides bringing all 10 ingredients together would cost me a night in the pub, and we can't have that, can we!? 100g 50 50 mix of Premier Baits 'Goo' Liquid* and Sticky Baits Cloudy Bloodworm Liquid * (called that for years before the radioactive stuff came along) Mixes out to exactly 210 grams, split into thirds will fit perfectly in 0.9 litre mini tupperwares (enough for three days)! * 50 50 mix of both because, when you try the Goo for the first time, you will see why it needs mixing with a thinner liquid! (Think holding the bottle upside down for an hour for no emergence, FABULOUS stuff). Tight lines, cheers, go get 'em. Try some on an inline, small sized Pallatrax Stonze weight for the best method feeder EVER. .

Sorry, the post above and this are actually the wrong way round. I went to edit my post, but had problems so deleted and started again Years and years ago we had a thread discussing whether carp can detect electromagnetic impulses, I think the correct term, for finding live prey like bloodworms, mussels and the like, so how much this would translate to different metals (and carbon) being an attractant, I really don't know. I have lost a number of my Stonze, they got used as break away weights on weak links when pike fishing. Casting with a Stonze and a deadbait, I know I'm never going to cast perfectly straight. You do lose the occasional lead in fast rivers in snags you don't know exist, especially after a flood. Tackle strong enough to land the fish, which is most important with pike. You do NOT want to leave a hook and wire trace in a pike ever.  I use them for chub fishing as well, more so than lead weights. At times in a fast river a 1-2oz Stonze is better than a lead, looking more natural. I think my larger Stonze may end up being used in flooded rivers. Something going through my mind with Stonze though; they are also able to take on liquids, so they are either a porous stone, or ground stone and resin bound. If Simon Pomeroy has patented or registered the idea, then the sentence above could put the cat in the pigeons as I have come up with the idea independantly. If they are ground stone and resin bound, then you can adjust the shape, even perfectly round would be better! I have a mate who makes a lot of my leads for me; I think in my tackle box I have bought only pear and distance leads for a few years, because I found they were the best casting shapes. I do have a few others, that I found!  On most of my leads I cut the swivel off, I think the swivel allows extra movement which may be enough for a fish to use the lead to eject the hook. Going into rig evasion area here... I had to check the bumpf on Stonze after my thought above:

It's great, sort of like a 'fishy bovril'

ive been using prem's goo in its various forms for donkeys years. absolutely love the stuff.

I tried using a Stonze on a small lake on a heli set-up, even over 30-40metres it swung in the air, you could see the direction changes. My larger 3 1/2- 4 1/2 oz Stonze have not even been used. Mike Wilson originally used Glass weights on Savay, he was concerned with the possibility of different metals, the swivel, the lead and hook creating an electrical field that repelled carp. I know he had great difficulties coming up with a glass that did not shatter on impact. I used to get 'rank' multifinish plaster and make weights out of it, always round ones with swivels as I had to work quickly to mould them by hand, but there must be a better way, a better material. I've used plasticine for small ledger weights for carp and chub in snaggy swims, normally rolled around the swivel mainline hooklink join.

Yonny , my point exactly thats why I would like to know ( i have a theory :))

Nick , I no where your coming from and agree with most , but the OP stated some fisheries are banning lead next year so question is really aimed at the OP as to telling us what fisheries are .

That's not accurate Nick, the EU regulations (RoSH and REACH) restrict the use of lead and it's compounds in the manufacture of commercial products. There's one geared towards the automotive industry too. None of them ban lead, they restrict it's use (i.e. you can use it with customer approval, or under certain exemptions). I work in manufacturing so am familiar with all this guff. It'll be ages before lead is banned imo.

Loads of fly patterns have been brought into carp fishing. Think of the first, low water Salmon, albeit they did need trimming and soldering, then the B175 for the bent hook rigs. Without bending them I still like the B175 for pop-up rigs, and an extended shank with silicon (not shrink) tubing.

An EU ruling is being planned or being discussed to ban lead weights, along with Simon Pomeroy (?), the boss of Pallatrax and Stonze making his views known in this country As much as I agree with some of what he has said regarding dropping lead weights, it has not helped that he was trying to give his own company an advantage, and Stonze can cast like a bag of spanners. Yes, you can cast them long distances, but you really need high test curve rods to cope with the overlarge size and non aerodynamic shape. @chillfactor and I have discussed this in the past, turning it into a joke with videos of toaster and sandwich maker casting. It has not been helped that manufacturers advocated dropping leads on the take; one certain tackle brand lake owner has or had rules in place that every lead must be dropped! There are alternatives in place, tungsten 'leads', but the cost of turning and shaping tungsten to make weights of identical sizes is prohibitive. I think there are very few tungsten weights around of more than 1ounce, almost every lead above 1.1ounce is made from lead.

If i run a fishery I would want to know what they are actually made given the fact they are going to break down , I would still like to know what fisheries are banning leads .

the website is up and running, £7.75 for a 5 pack of 2oz leads. That's £1.55 each... not the same price as 55p each I get my leads for.

50% of my house are already moaning about the smell this morning 😬 I'm Always outnumbered but at least I got the cake

It actually looks pretty decent now it's chopped up, I think it's about time the carp god's giveth , I've been a good boy lately, I've worked hard , surely that has to count for something 😬

Don't get me wrong I do agree with you but maybe in 10 years time ngt may be developing there own products and doing all sorts of good stuff who knows they may not, but maybe one day they will be in a stronger position to develop and put something back into the sport they have made a crust from