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you are aware that its not actually a swear word neal? have you been on the beverage by any chance?

I've left it a week to respond to this in the hope that somebody on here with some clout would delete the last paragraph . I'm sure you know already anyway but , for the benefit of everybody else , I reported your post to admin because I thought , and still do think that that last paragraph is bang out of order . Whether I considered the initial Cyborx post to be mildly amusing by way of tongue in cheek is neither here nor there to anybody else and if there had been a 'found the post to be mildly amusing' button then I would have mildly amused it .... In its absence the like button was the nearest option . I reported it , as I say , in the hope that admin/mods would remove the uncalled for snide comment but a week on its become obvious that THAT isn't going to happen and I'm not surprised about THAT either which would have saved me the trouble of posting In an argument I had no intention of getting involved in . Sad . Very sad.

A very dangerous virus is planned to be released in all Australian freshwater waterways. If this escapes the country (in a travelling anglers damp gear for example) it could destroy the species in many countries around the world. There are many other concerns with this idea which have not been considered! Please help by signing the petition below https://www.change.org/p/barnaby-joyce-barnaby-joyce-don-t-release-a-virus-into-australian-rivers?recruiter=39268449&utm_source=petitions_show_components_action_panel_wrapper&utm_medium=copylink

Was chatting with someone about dogs the other day. Correct word for a female dog?? Forget it! Perhaps the Internet bots don't get context, although they're getting it pretty well right in this thread!

Neal...... The door is that way mate- >..................…...................................... [emoji376] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Oops like a dyslexic pimp buying a warehouse..... [emoji12]

hahaha!! learn to spell and it wont get thru next time lol i had 17 notifications from you and i thought you were having a twitchy fit :lol:

Tim I agree.... a rule for one and a rule for another is poor!

Confused I am...... de-railing the thread I could be....

Oh dear I didn't think that would get through

How come the three letter word for brokeback mountain is banned? Discrimination much.... Peados

I've liked every post because internet arguments are super gay and I can't catch fish so maybe I'll catch Australian man herpes ! [emoji8]

i clicked the like button on the above post out of admiration for Tim as he had the presence of mind to withhold his ire, the patience to wait a week and the sheer balls to stand up and say something when no one, thats NO one in a position to do something about it has done. also now that the person responsible for the snide remark is only lurking he wont accuse me of exhibiting bro love sad, very sad

Yes I'm aware it is already in the UK. What I'm saying is that you need a massive reservoir of infection in Australia, which is what will happen if it is released on a large scale there

BigDog23 you seem to be a victim of the dribble which has been fed to the australian public for decades regarding the impact of carp. Carp are easy to blame for the sad state of australian freshwater species. The truth is that decades of mismanagement of waterways has resulted in what you see now. Carp are an adaptive species which can easily survive the poor conditions created by erosion, pollution and deliberate alteration of natural flows, and that is why they have flourished. They have nothing to do with muddy water, or how do you explain the crystal clear lakes in Europe and other places like south africa and america which are full of carp? When the Koi Herpes Virus is released as planned in 2018 millions of of dead carp will quickly overwhelm the meagre freshwater supplies, oxygen levels will fall rapidly under the influence of rotting fish and native species will be wiped out. The water will quickly become unfit for any domestic use. The puny $15 million allocated to the cleanup will come nowhere close to what is needed. After about a week dead fish sink to the bottom and then it will be too late. The rumors of mobilizing locals to pick up putrefying rotting fish carcasses is a fantastical dream. The KHV is highly virulent and spreads very quickly. Mortaility is within one week. I don't think the release of a new organism into waterways is the solution. They tried it with Myxamatosis in rabbits and it has not worked. They tried it with cane toads to control the native cane beetle and it has been a catastrophe. Carp has been in australia for 150 years and is now deeply entrenched in the local eco-system. As you say it makes up most of the biomass. What will the effect on wildlife (birds, other predatory fish species, animals) be if a well-established species is removed? No research has been done, no projections are available. In addition to all that, if the virus escapes to Europe the effect on the billion dollar carp fishing industry will be calamitous. And let's not forget Asia where carp is a major food source. If KHV becomes widespread in Australian freshwater as planned the likelihood for this happening becomes much more substantial.

bigdog, i think that your post is a good one, it certainly puts your perspective on the for or against argument from someone on the ground. do you have any idea what the ambient water temp is in the murray darling basin? my reason for asking this is the fact that if the water temps reach as high as they did in 2005-2006 there may be a problem albiet one that should have been considered by whoever researched using the KHV as a mass culling method and that is that the effects of the virus are nulled in temperatures around 24-30 deg F (75-80C). it would be interesting to know what the temps are this year.

Yeah don't type that into Google images....

butt rest lol

Ha ha! I thought that was a personal message.... whoops, soz mods!

#Nealjt

Cm we are not the most multicultural country in the world. Far from it in fact Australia has a far higher number of different languages spoken & considering the population difference they are far more multicultural than us . I also never called anyone racist. ... just narrow minded & pointed out my dislike for jibes made at people's back grounds & race . Not sure about all this hard life stuff you have no idea how hard my life might or might not be . My trade is one if not the hardest working trade on site. Let's leave it now . As I shall not reply again .

Lol mate .... it's not that I can't handle the BS just got far better things to do with my time than having to keep reading it . Thanks for all the pm's too guys gave me a reason to log in if nothing else. See you on bank one day & Be lucky . Phil . Oh & mufty really hope they take you up on that contact I gave you there really is no one better in the country. Pretty sure everyone who is coming on the casting day has my mobile number so keep in contact with me via that. Have a good season lads

Phil,Chill(lol) dont leave ,your stronger than that!!! If you can poke a bone out your skin without screaming you can handle the bs .....faired imcome mate ( ) if you cant handle your reels not screaming then I understand.....but don't leave otherwise bud ....The forum will be lacking without you LOVE BEANZXXXXXXXXXX

I tried to sign it but I don't do Stalkbook so I can't. Spr1985 is right, everyone grow up.

Wow. Just wow. Thanks for the support guys.

report button son just advice so please dont take it personal but when you get snidey remarks on almost every post, somats going to crack

Moderators???!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

YAY!!!

It's got nothing to do with having a hard life & working in those areas of Birmingham certainly wasn't hard met some great people mostly Sikhs in the areas I worked.... only moaners & people who think there owed something come up with terminology like that . Life's out there to grasp people can do what ever they want with it . your the king of snide comments on here cyborx as your last post just proved you no nothing of where I grew up etc . No need to block I won't be on here anymore fed up of listening to your nonsense.

My first job when I left school had me working in the roughest area's of Birmingham where I was a minority as a white English man which I did for many years so your assumption of me is completely wrong. I've worked hard to end up living where I do now & life is a struggle to maintain it every day . So don't see the need for your comments. Cyborx I drove all round Australia thanks pulled into towns where they hadn't seen a car for decades worked with all different types of Australians including Aboriginal . .... you guys keep making your assumptions.

So all Australians are convicts So Your including the many millions that come from Italian decent Greek / Chinese / Canadian / Sri Lanka / I could go on & on & these are just some of the people I personally know & call friends and there family history. I will leave you to your narrow minded view now . Phir with your background perhaps going down the route of what an impact millions of rotting fish will have on water quality / environment is the way forward & push for a netting scheme instead, which would leave you with a smaller but healthy population of carp . Best of luck .

good job i dont know any of your aussie 'mates' then, only my own who actually call it as it is. their words not mine

so, calling an australian 'convict' rocks your boat? yours is a small world indeed Phil and dont EVER presume to know what i do or do not think bud.

Load of Tosh ! Think we all know what your convict jibes were about . Trying to back down on them with a story of one disgruntled Australian pathetic. I can't stand race jibes! We have Australian friends every other year come and visit us, if you think all Australians think they live in a prison, so it's OK to call them convicts you are very miss guided. And as for newmarket liking your post that doesn't surprise me one bit either. Sad very sad .

Phil, nice to see you disassociate yourself from the "convict jibe" this "jibe" was actually from a comment that a true Australian made to me while referring to his homeland, the reference also included a pictorial description of life for the greater portion of the populace. "those yabbies that run the country have put up a metaphorical wall around Australia and made it like a prison environment, you can only eat what they let you produce or what is imported under the scrutiny of the government and their lackeys. this goes for anything you use, tools vehicles and even construction materials. you cant even just grab something off an international site like amazon or ebay without it being put under the scrutiny of the dept of immigration and border protection, it makes us feel like the convicts that most of us are descended from". a quote from an Australian ex pat in this country who just wanted to have a free choice on how he lived his life, sound like convicts to me but that aside, i have just signed the petition and waste my time i hope i have not

Maybe Cameron and his lickers of a uk government should pay to have all the Aussie Carp removed and brought over here , where they are treated a LITTLE better , via a period in isolation of course , in order to replace all the British Carp that their precious cuddly little Otters have murdered ?

Hopefully!!!!

It doesn't have many signatures as it's only a few days old. I think opposition world-wide will have a much bigger impact than australian signatures only. They need to realise this is a global issue, as this virus has the potential to cause havoc in many other countries, and it could be triggered by their ignorant actions. More than that other countries may also consider introducing KHV if it is done here, thereby magnifying the potential for disaster in the UK and Europe. I have a background in biology and epiemiology and a good understanding of the mechanisms behind global epidemics. The Avian flu which started in Asia is not dissimilar. It only takes one infected individual on a plane to cause an escalation, and soon you have a pandemic.

Do you think it will have any sway if people from the other side of the world vote on this petition. The votes need to be by Australians.

it's 100 thousand not 10 thousand . And all it means even if you do get to that figure is that it will be raised in parliament & then dismissed.

I know but it does provide us a with voice, and some form of unification. How else can we unite behind this cause? Imagine we can get 10000 signatures behind this.. at the very least it will create an awareness that this is more than a one-sided issue, and the outcome might be much better than that. It literally takes seconds to sign, please guys help us out.

I'm sorry but e petitions are not a waste of time at all, providing they get 10,000 signatures government is duty bound to discuss it in parliament, so it is well worth a shot even if it only bring a little more attention to it in the public eye......do the non angling public have any clue that this is going on? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Phir, I would like to completely disassociate with the convict jibes in this thread , I have lived & worked in Australia & it's a fantastic country. I feel for your plight but these E petitions are a waste of time mate .

All interesting info. And irrelevant. The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing This is about our sport, this is about your fellow angler brothers reaching out to you from the other side of the world. Please sign & comment, if the powers that be see there is substantial opposition and there are other potential implications they may reconsider.

i found this interesting little snippet for you Phil, apparently Dingo's are also an invasive species. who knew eh!! the ausie convicts have managed to spoil their environment with over 3000 none native species in less than 230 years, THAT is a little more than the uk even if you do include the plants. so according to your list that you kindly provided thats UK 70 vs AU c3000? Australia has been isolated and insulated from the rest of the world for millions of years. In its isolation many specialised plants and animals evolved that were uniquely adapted to its particular environment. Up until the arrival of Europeans settlers starting in 1788, only one non-indigenous animal was introduced to Australia. This was the dingo which arrived about 4,000 years ago. Since 1788 however more than 25 mammals, 20 birds, 4 reptiles, 1 frog, 34 fish, hundreds of marine species, an unknown number of invertebrates and more than 2,800 weeds have been introduced to Australia.

oh sorry phill, i stupidly used the same site for a more unbiased comparison and as the site you used is only a uk and uk territories it does not offer a comparison i did notice that i left rats on the ausie one tho.

You haven't included plants on your UK list but you did for your Australian one . Include plants and there's a big difference.

What's your take on the UK then cyborx. ... as that list is smaller than ours ?

the carp anglers of the whole world could protest but! and here is the crunch, the austrailian government would no more take notice of us than it would to a hippy trying to smuggle a kilo of weed in thru the border. the white population of that unfortunate country are the only blot on the landscape, they have absolutely no clue about conservation or preservation, they spout on about none native species but here is an abbreviated list of animals, insects and plants that have been introduced purposefully by humans into that otherwise pristine environment. Plants Bridal creeper Patterson's curse Koster's curse scotch thistle Mammals Water buffalo Dromedary Deer Donkey Ferret Brown hare Brumby House mouse Northern palm squirrel Polynesian rat black rat brown rat european rabbit Birds Common pheasant Common myna Common starling Eurasian skylark Eurasian blackbird Eurasian tree sparrow European greenfinch European goldfinch Feral pigeon Hill myna House sparrow Mallard Nutmeg mannikin Spotted dove Fish Asian carp Brown trout Common carp Common roach European perch Mosquitofish Rainbow trout Rosy barb Rudd Tilapia Tench Weather loach ReptilesHouse gecko Arthropods Argentine ant Black Portuguese millipede Western honeybee Red imported fire ant Yellow crazy ant ·European wasp Echinoderms Northern Pacific seastar there are many more not listed including deadly virus such as myxomatosis to control the (introduced) rabbit population, the cane toad to eradicate the larvae of the cane beetle and the list goes ever on. so sign a petition? why waste my time on the ignorant overbearing ausie bureaucrat that is so self centered that they even tried to eradicate the native Aborigine. so, sign a bit of paper for the convict crocodile hunters to ignore? waste my time i wont :twisted: