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You are right I had a brain malfunction when I thought it was £3, I still maintain you can get better bait for that price. Have a look at mirage baits £60 for 10kg and they all sound like great baits tbh

I listened to the Marcus watts podcast again today. Frozen sweetcorn glazed with MPG, apparently it's good. I've tried to keep my baits gut friendly, good leakage for the solubles, wallet friendly and sustainable, that's the things I strive for no expensive milks not loads of fishmeal, no krill etc, I even dismissed an ingredient because it contained palm oil. AI could probably work out the costings and savings for you. but I guess it's all about buying power and speed of process etc.

I have never paid £3 per kilo, i think corus were not rolling the bait but bulk buying from a place in Europe and maybe the big place put price up and corus could not sell it on at higher price i was paying £30 for 5kg

If its Gardner its good...

It's expensive because it is sold through a shop. The shop buys from the manufacturer and still has to make a profit selling themselves. If the shop buys an item at £7.99, it will be sold at around £11.99. Bear in mind that the manufacturer selling at £7.99 is going to include profit for them, and that may not be much! Indeed, I remember from Bill Cottam that making Hi-Nu-Val as a base mix was not far short of £10. If I told you that the shop bought a 50oz bag for £9.32 and it was sold at £13.99. (Sad that I can remember original buying prices after all these years 20+). Hi-Nu-Val went up to £14.99 a bag while The Biollix was £14.10. A bait maker selling direct at £7 does not seem that expensive when you read @framey 's post if £6 at home is a very good bait. I honestly don't think that ingredients available now are as good as 20years ago. Fishmeal prices have gone silly sky high and very few non meat ingredients give a decent usable protein source, with the exception of fungi or yeast. Liquid hydrolysates have a potential problem, they are water soluble. That sounds weird, but once they have 'dissolved' out of the boilie you may be left with nothing in the bait that the fish want. This is where you may well want or need a solid protein source left in the bait. The best baits don't need millions of powdered ingredients, get it right and I think six maybe 7 will be the most you need, possibly with some additional liquids. I will try my best to work it out, I can remember what it cost me to make Trigga buying the base mix, eggs, Liquid Trigga, Sweet Cajouser and Liver Elite as a standard.

Neither did I until I was getting serious grief afterwards lol

Friday night mate. Don't get me wrong, I've not had it as hard as others. Im fortunate to have a 10000l pool in the garden, so buckets for flushing the loo. Water came on for a few hours yesterday but was very cloudy and chalky. We managed a shower and a few loads of washing. Ran out again by tea time. Easily collected bottled water yesterday.

Who you saying that is ??

Would hanging cds like the farmers do help especially if at different heights?

GR 60 no good anymore then??

I had to keep quiet about Welly to get into my current syndi. I'd not have stood a chance if they knew! I had no idea when I joined Welly tbf.

the savings to be made are are on labour premises. electricity gas water etc. packaging shipping and taxes. if it comes in at even £6 a kilo for ingredients and you get it right. you will probably have the best bait money can buy. Would be interesting if it was possible to work out actual savings between home rolling and commercial using similar ingredients minus trade discounts. that said, We all know a piece of corn can be better than ANY boilie if it’s in the right spot lol

I missed this but gotta add, you're well off with Bezza, most hated man in the valley and known throughout as poacher extraordinaire. My mate who's the BCSG Carp Historian was far from impressed when I joined his lakes, in fact he was fuming said he'd never fish his waters and gave me grief for doing so. I stupidly used him as a reference to get on Urchy, never heard back, should have used anyone but him - Doh! 😀

Since Saturday?! That's criminal tbf mate.

As an update, still no running water. I do hope this won't effect the shareholders profits

This guy got loads of abuse back in the day for apparently fishing in an 'out of bounds; area, not sure that was true, maybe jealousy from others I suspect. I had left fishing it when this was made. From memory he also claimed to be one of the first to use a method feeder on there, I know that is not true. Anyway, a good bit of stalking on a big pit at the time.

I move it every day. Apparently at certain times of year it actually attracts them and a month or so ago I saw it perched next to the fake one! Yeah that's the plan mate!

Thanks , fellas , that's pretty conclusive then . 😃

no not really gt80+ is good but I think I'm going back to hydrotuff next time I spool up.

They say you have to move the heron regularly for it to work, I felt like it was attracting them lol I'm imagining some sort of line of wire or string around the sides a bit like the electric wire for otters, say 3 layers of it, but then you cant have the heron sitting on the top edge if they can still reach the water from there. Tricky!

We have one already. We have a separate goldfish pond further down the garden and it's standing next to that. Hasn't worked.... lost a couple of the bigger goldfish. Yeah this is where I'm at mate. Just need to figure out how I'm gonna do it.

Herons are a pain, they lifted a few carp out of my pond that were too big to eat so he left them on the lawn to suffocate prob 5lb plus each. I got a fake heron which might have helped as little but couldn't say for sure. I'd say net it or some sort of barrier on the sides so they cannot land, they leave like an oily substance on the surface when they've been in. 🤬 👎

Nutrabaits and mainline etc is still expensive tbh. There is a lot more choice nowadays thankfully, and a lot more info and ingredients available. But regardless to turn a profit at £3 a kilo and covering costs etc. It's not going to be decent. I've been learning lots lately and am trying to work out all my own mixes, for a decent balanced food base mix I think I am looking at around £4/5 a kilo if I buy 50kg worth of ingredients so I can save a bit and still make a good bait. But I've got to roll it all myself. That's the payoff really.

Been using the HD for a couple of years having also used Hydro Tuff, both seem good to me.

Nope 😄