snowman01 Posted April 21, 2018 Report Posted April 21, 2018 On 21/04/2018 at 11:21, Carpbell_ll said: similar to the reverse combi rig i use for my pop ups, i have been putting the weight at the start of the stripped back braid making some of the braid stand up, gives a nice natural movement in the water, think i could of done with something closer to the deck this past week though. Expand I like that idea, using a bit of vertical braid for the rotation. I'm imagining the curve of the stuff section and it's rigidity (25lb bristle filament so v stiff) on being sucked in should turn OK. The weights sit nicely over the knot too and stop it picking up silkweed which loves clinging to any small knots etc. I even have to trim any tiny bits of the weight from the manufacturing process to satisfy my ocd! 😂 Carpbell_ll 1 Quote
crusian Posted April 24, 2018 Report Posted April 24, 2018 On 18/04/2018 at 10:35, yonny said: I would add to this thread that while I do not believe in such a thing as a big fish rig, in my opinion you will increase your average size of capture by using pop ups. The higher you fish them off the deck, the higher your average size will climb. If you whack a pop up 3 inches off the deck you'll hook fewer small carp imo as it just looks alien to them. Bigguns wont be be able to tell as they are approaching from above due to their sheer size..... I have a close mate that's fished the same waters as me for the last 5 years. His average, every year, has been significantly smaller than mine, and he catches just as many fish. Only difference is he fishes bottom baits where I use pop ups. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not..... Last year, in an attempt to target that huge mirror I has in October, I increased the height of my pop up rigs significantly to avoid the smaller fish. I landed 16 fish after that modification with an average of 31 lb, and then the biggun at 49. Normal average on this water is about 25 lb, my smallest fish was 25 lb. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not..... You might have to wait longer for bites with big blatant pop ups but when the bite comes I find it's worth the wait. My first piece of advice to anyone looking to target big fish would be to use blatant pop up rigs. Seems to have worked for Vik too looking at his results last year. Expand Hi Yonny This is very interesting . Just to make sure , the 3 inches is measured from the Putty / Shot resting on the lake bed to the bottom of the Pop Up ? . Ta . Quote
The Compleat Angler Posted April 24, 2018 Report Posted April 24, 2018 On 17/04/2018 at 03:25, smufter said: Despite accumulating countless tubs of various pop-ups over the years, I don't fish them that often. Lack of confidence I guess, as I've never had a sniff on one in the past. I've read up/watched videos on the rigs involved, but the only thing I'm not really sure of is the amount of weight I need to use. My question is, can you use too much??? As others have said, it depends how you want to present the bait, I certainly wouldn’t worry too much about over weighting though. Sometimes if I see a fish show at big distance, I fish a 3 or 4” hook link with a pop up, straight off a 4oz lead, and I’ve caught many times with this method, so a 4oz lead is definitely over weighted. The height I fish a normal pop up, can be anything from just off bottom, to around 4” although 1.5” is quite frequent for me. Much higher than 4” and you’re basically zig fishing. Regarding pop up weight, I use Dinsmore split shot, a BB is about right for the average 15mm pop up. I like the split shot, as that was my method before the lead ban. Expand crusian 1 Quote
yonny Posted April 25, 2018 Report Posted April 25, 2018 On 24/04/2018 at 19:10, crusian said: Just to make sure , the 3 inches is measured from the Putty / Shot resting on the lake bed to the bottom of the Pop Up ? . Expand Yes buddy.... give or take.... I can't say I measure it. crusian 1 Quote
crusian Posted April 25, 2018 Report Posted April 25, 2018 On 18/04/2018 at 07:50, greekskii said: wont catch anything on them if you dont use them. I'm like yonny and use pop-ups for 95% of my fishing, I will put on a snowman no problem but not used a straight bottom bait for years. My go to rig doesnt even suit using one. Expand Would you like to show the forum your " go to rig " , Greekskii ? , or do you prefer to keep an " edge " ? . Quote
greekskii Posted April 25, 2018 Report Posted April 25, 2018 On 25/04/2018 at 14:01, crusian said: Would you like to show the forum your " go to rig " , Greekskii ? , or do you prefer to keep an " edge " ? . Expand A stiff multi rig. Only good for pop ups, although I dare say if you took away most of the putty (protects the knot) maybe it would suit a wafter if you swap the ring for a swivel. Quote
crusian Posted April 25, 2018 Report Posted April 25, 2018 On 25/04/2018 at 14:07, greekskii said: A stiff multi rig. Only good for pop ups, although I dare say if you took away most of the putty (protects the knot) maybe it would suit a wafter if you swap the ring for a swivel. Expand Thanks Greekskii So under the dollop of Putty is the knot that connects the Coated Braid to a short length of Amnesia ? . Quote
greekskii Posted April 25, 2018 Report Posted April 25, 2018 On 25/04/2018 at 16:35, crusian said: Thanks Greekskii So under the dollop of Putty is the knot that connects the Coated Braid to a short length of Amnesia ? . Expand Yep. But it’s atomic chod wyre not amnesia. crusian 1 Quote
RobertZilla Posted April 27, 2018 Report Posted April 27, 2018 On 21/04/2018 at 10:37, snowman01 said: Yep, you need to have confidence in what you're doing. Whether you can just accept logic, or have to prove something through some sort of test etc. Like if your fishing popups to combat debris etc then find a clear margin spot and plonk your rig on it in a similar way you imagine the cast landing. You can see how it lands and settles, and how it sits. Like I've just changed to a slightly stiffer coated braid for my boom section because I realised sometimes my previous one wouldn't quite boom out enough. These are the two slightly different versions of the hinge rig I use. Those tungsten weights balance my homemade 15mm corkballs out nicely, settle slow enough to sit on top of silkweed but don't sink too slowly. In my mind they are also less likely to snag in the weed than swivels, and the stripped bit of braid behind them gives the movement and rotation. Expand What kind of weights you use on fluorocarbon? Quote
snowman01 Posted April 29, 2018 Report Posted April 29, 2018 On 27/04/2018 at 16:18, RobertZilla said: What kind of weights you use on fluorocarbon? Expand I think they are taska large chod beads, supposed to fit onto the eye of a swivel on a chod rig. Balance a 13mm corkball (the diameter of the Cork before adding paste layer) plus a heavy gauge size 4 hook nicely. Quote
smufter Posted May 2, 2018 Author Report Posted May 2, 2018 Well tried your suggestion yesterday Yonny, raised the pop up to 4". Still nothing..... Mate of mine who has just joined White Cottage had a 30lb carp on Monday, his first visit. On a pop up!! Quote
RobertZilla Posted May 2, 2018 Report Posted May 2, 2018 On 02/05/2018 at 05:43, smufter said: Well tried your suggestion yesterday Yonny, raised the pop up to 4". Still nothing..... Mate of mine who has just joined White Cottage had a 30lb carp on Monday, his first visit. On a pop up!! Expand Take one of his rigs 😆 yonny and crusian 1 1 Quote
greekskii Posted May 2, 2018 Report Posted May 2, 2018 On 02/05/2018 at 05:43, smufter said: Well tried your suggestion yesterday Yonny, raised the pop up to 4". Still nothing..... Expand persevere with it, the fish have to be in front of you for you to have a chance. Quote
crusian Posted May 2, 2018 Report Posted May 2, 2018 On 02/05/2018 at 05:43, smufter said: Well tried your suggestion yesterday Yonny, raised the pop up to 4". Still nothing..... Mate of mine who has just joined White Cottage had a 30lb carp on Monday, his first visit. On a pop up!! Expand So , kind of like Robertzilla says if he's a good mate wouldn't he at least let you look at his rig ? . Multi Rig , Stiff Hinge Rig , Ronnie Rig ? , and more importantly , how high is his Pop Up presented ? . Quote
RobertZilla Posted May 2, 2018 Report Posted May 2, 2018 For me on river Ronnie is winner. crusian 1 Quote
smufter Posted May 3, 2018 Author Report Posted May 3, 2018 On 02/05/2018 at 20:38, crusian said: So , kind of like Robertzilla says if he's a good mate wouldn't he at least let you look at his rig ? . Multi Rig , Stiff Hinge Rig , Ronnie Rig ? , and more importantly , how high is his Pop Up presented ? . Expand Funnily enough, Jerry (my mate) came round to my swim on Tuesday and we had a good chat. We got talking about pop ups, and I showed him my rig. He confirmed that he is fishing almost exactly the same as me, and had his pop up about 4" off the deck, same as me! Only difference was that he was using a pink pop up whereas mine was a deeper red (Plan b's natural colour lol!). As said, the fish have got to be in front of me to be interested, so I guess they weren't lol! I will persevere with them, just might change the colour over to something more visible like pink, white or possibly yellow. I know my presentation is right.... it's just finding the fish. Quote
crusian Posted May 3, 2018 Report Posted May 3, 2018 On 03/05/2018 at 04:31, smufter said: Funnily enough, Jerry (my mate) came round to my swim on Tuesday and we had a good chat. We got talking about pop ups, and I showed him my rig. He confirmed that he is fishing almost exactly the same as me, and had his pop up about 4" off the deck, same as me! Only difference was that he was using a pink pop up whereas mine was a deeper red (Plan b's natural colour lol!). As said, the fish have got to be in front of me to be interested, so I guess they weren't lol! I will persevere with them, just might change the colour over to something more visible like pink, white or possibly yellow. I know my presentation is right.... it's just finding the fish. Expand Well that's very encouraging that you've reached the same presentation independently . A Plan B , washed out Pop Up , or at least Baby Pink Pop Up , maybe ? . Quote
smufter Posted May 3, 2018 Author Report Posted May 3, 2018 On 03/05/2018 at 05:26, crusian said: Well that's very encouraging that you've reached the same presentation independently . A Plan B , washed out Pop Up , or at least Baby Pink Pop Up , maybe ? . Expand Just ordered a tub of the "creme de la creme" of pop ups. Quote
smufter Posted May 3, 2018 Author Report Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) Let's hear it for the "fat maggot" pop ups........................................... Edited May 3, 2018 by smufter RobertZilla 1 Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted May 3, 2018 Report Posted May 3, 2018 On 03/05/2018 at 05:54, smufter said: Let's hear it for the "fat maggot" pop ups........................................... Expand I like them! Those shapes are awesome, could well totally trick the carp! Quote
smufter Posted May 3, 2018 Author Report Posted May 3, 2018 On 03/05/2018 at 06:45, salokcinnodrog said: I like them! Those shapes are awesome, could well totally trick the carp! Expand I was joking Geezer! I've ordered some "Ting Tongs".......supposed to be the Mutts. yonny 1 Quote
greekskii Posted May 3, 2018 Report Posted May 3, 2018 On 03/05/2018 at 06:45, salokcinnodrog said: I like them! Those shapes are awesome, could well totally trick the carp! Expand I can imagine them being awesome for chub on the rivers. Look like some kind of pupae RobertZilla 1 Quote
yonny Posted May 3, 2018 Report Posted May 3, 2018 On 03/05/2018 at 06:46, smufter said: "Ting Tongs".......supposed to be the Mutts. Expand They are decent Rob. Quote
smufter Posted May 3, 2018 Author Report Posted May 3, 2018 On 03/05/2018 at 07:22, yonny said: They are decent Rob. Expand blooming hell! I thought you were going to give me a rollocking chillfactor, cyborx and yonny 1 2 Quote
chillfactor Posted May 3, 2018 Report Posted May 3, 2018 When it comes to pop ups ... I don't go anywhere without a tub of scent from hell & heaven , & can I politely suggest that your all mad for not doing the same Quote
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