adamkitson Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 If you actually read it properly it states i see people with them letting fish run for the sake of it which i don't agree with, then it states i believe it leads to fish loses etc. Some people have shown me they can be used responsibly but i still don't see it, if you like using them over front drag then great. If someone who does let it run for fun reads it, it may make them think about fish and snags. Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk On that I could not agree with you more! Anyone who stands next to a running rod and doesn't pick it up as soon as possible shouldn't be fishing. That's the angler, not the equipment though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanz Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Is it classed as bad angling to have the clutch loose when Carp fishing??? I never have it tight( if not on snags) but wouldn't say its super loose either. In all the years I'v carp fished I'v only ever lost one fish to snags and that was because it kitted on a leadclip into some reeds to my left without a beep If i had a boat I'd feed it but that wasn't allowed and has it was during my chemo I wasn't chancing a swim to free it, so cut the line and listened to it thrash about all night till morning when I'm sure ( and still hope ) it dragged the line free and out to open water or dumped the hook. On Barnwell I fished up to the reeds with running rigs and untight clutch and all the takes came away to open water ,my mate fished the same spots with leadclips and all his takes tried to bury into them newmarket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hnv Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Just for the record: I have some small shimano baitrunners for small water, stalking and river work, Emblem pig pits with daiwa baitrunner conversion caps and some crosscast big pits with front QD (quick drag) clutches. All of them are set to the tension that the angling situation dictates. This may be virtually free-spool if fishing very tight to the near margin to locked up solid for snag and heavy weed fishing. It all depends on the situation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildalton1982 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Reading this makes me chuckle, when i say I've seen people have it on freespool just to make alarm scream, i didn't mention scenarios did i? I don't see the point in it, letting fish run for personal satisfaction. People get defensive even though its not aimed at them. These so called anglers who let them run become lazy and its dangerous. Imagine it (I've seen it) guy wanders round, i say where you fishing, he says other side, its ok its on freespool and I've loads of line!! Wtf!!! Yes a baitrunner can be adjusted to be the same drag as fighting drag but then it negates the point of it being a bait runner Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigewoodcock Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 No mate - a bait runner isn't set for fighting drag. That's done on the drag system. There is no difference between a bait runner and a front drag / rear drag reel. Other than the instant switch on/off of the free spool. With no bait runner function, you do it manually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazlaaar Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Phil Sorry if this teaches you to such eggs but Bait runners have two clutches, One for the playing fish One for that first initial take They have a front and rear drag, Others The front drag does both jobs, ie Playing fish and that first initial take. Bait runners use the handle to change from the initial take clutch to the playing fish clutch, each one can have it's own setting. Others, you adjust the front drag The only difference between the two is one uses the handle to switch over the other is switched over by you, using the front drag. As I've said, both are exactly the same in principle but they both use a different mechanism to achieve the same goal. Anglers can let a fish run on both bait runners and other reels, they still both have to be activated by the angler. Some people prefer the handle method, some people prefer the front drag method, it's the same. Both sets of anglers can be irresponsible, and it's the angler that is the problem not the reel. Edited September 13, 2016 by Gazlaaar cyborx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildalton1982 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 No mate - a bait runner isn't set for fighting drag. That's done on the drag system. There is no difference between a bait runner and a front drag / rear drag reel. Other than the instant switch on/off of the free spool. With no bait runner function, you do it manually.I meant it can be set the the same as fighting drag, knob on end can be done up tight. Aren't there 2 knobs on em? One for freespool other for fighting drag? Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildalton1982 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Why did it censor that word? Odd Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk nigewoodcock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigewoodcock Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 As per gaz's post above. With a 'standard reel' you set the free spool 'how much resistance is on the fish during the take, with the front drag. When you get a take, you have to manually tighten it to the desired resistance you want to play the fish on. With a dedicated bait runner, you set that playing resistance and it doesn't change - unless you want to during the fight. This is done with the front or rear kno b, depending on model. You then set the resistance you desire on the take by the rear drag, a completely different setting to the 'playing drag' of the reel. There is then a switch that engages the 'bite resistance' or 'free spool' as its more commonly known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpbell_ll Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 For me i wouldn't use anything other than a baitrunner, if i ever need a big pit reel, i would still get the BR version, one crank of the handle and i'm into fighting drag mode, gotta be better than getting used to adjusting the front of the spool on a take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildalton1982 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I see this thread morphing into something else, so, say you get a take, as i pick up rod i naturally put one finger on spool then tighten up drag( not from freespool before anyone starts) this takes all of a second, my question is this, a quick turn of drag or turn handle? Which is quicker?? I assume if reel is spinning we all tighten drag up Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazlaaar Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 It's all done for you when you wind the handle on a bait runner, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildalton1982 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Bear in mind most reels are QD i buy, a quarter turn is either locked up or freespool so your talking minimum turn Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazlaaar Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Like I say, my fishing grew with bait runners, it's what I'm used too. phildalton1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hnv Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 What about centre pins..?! Lol dalthegooner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I use bait runners but don't engage the drag by turning the handle, I use the switch on the back. That is surely the quickest option? dalthegooner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 They were designed so a live baitfish could be hooked through the back and allowed to swim freely, hence the name, bait runner (which Shimano patented), and a lot were destined for saltwater fishing. My 6500 would be a great reel for sharks, and that whole series featured waterproof drag so they could be rinsed. I don't think carp anglers were even considered at first, they just picked it up, but I could be wrong. In any case I think they're great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I get it, they reinvented the wheel, so its a lever instead of a quarter turn or just so i can pull line off with some effort. Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk phil, can i ask just two questions? (three with this one before some smart ar se says sommat) 1) do you have bait runners? 2) have you ever used a bait runner reel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildalton1982 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 phil, can i ask just two questions? (three with this one before some smart ar se says sommat) 1) do you have bait runners? 2) have you ever used a bait runner reel? Yes of a sort, QD reels, yes i did own proper bait runners, didnt see the point as i never used the function, why?? Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildalton1982 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I set mine so the fish can take line under pressure, never freespooling though Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazlaaar Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I always took Free Spooling as a figure of speech, I've never actually free spooled as such, there's always a certain amount of tension but it's still looser than the front playing drag phildalton1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildalton1982 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I always took Free Spooling as a figure of speech, I've never actually free spooled as such, there's always a certain amount of tension but it's still looser than the front playing dragSee this all stems from the numpties I've seen with em on complete free spool, thats it, no hidden subject or agenda, i realise the way i asked was a bit of a broad way but some people take things way too seriously Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazlaaar Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 If you were to get a proper one toner on a really free spool, you'd end up getting a birds nest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildalton1982 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Not if you set it so it doesn't overun, tbh i give up, i know what i meant Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I set mine so the fish can take line under pressure, never freespooling though Sent from my P9000 using Tapatalk its just that to me its seems like your statements are coming from the angle of someone who has never used the bait runner as it should be used. i set my bait runner to suit the situation, relatively tight where there could be a danger of snags and just so i can feed line off in open water, the front clutch/ fighting drag i set so i have to pull reasonably hard to give line and unless i have a really hard fighting fish on thats how it stays. as i reach down for the rod on a take i extend my index finger and just touch the runner lever and that knocks it off before i have even gripped the rod. the above suits my style of fishing so well that i have not needed to alter either clutch more than a dozen times in the last two years and i have also NEVER used it freespool style and also there is no need to have a quick crank of the handle. as you say horses for courses, but the trick is being able to ride that horse snoozer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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