i know what your saying kev about being a hard water,thats not my arguement, my arguement is theres no syndicate waters at bluebell, which to me is a bit of a money spin, i was working out the other day roughly how many hours a year i fish on average, i'd say i fish 20 out of the 52 weekends easily, can you imagine if i was to go there and pay for 480 hrs at 27.50 per 24hrs i hope you aint had the wrong idea about me winging because i did'nt catch anything there, its a beut complex with some lovely specimens in there, but for me as in my point its just a bit too rich on the price scale at 27.50 for a 24hr session