fished it twice last year mate at the back end of november 1'st session did a 48hr no good, 2'nd session did 48hr again,1'st 24hrs nothing, then woke early next morning to find lake frozen but did find a few useful things out,keep your rigs simple, the bottom on most of the lakes is clay and some gravel patches, and weed here and there, dont put the spod out as ive been told this is the kiss of death, go with the mesh, most quality baits work there ive been told, dont be afraid to ask tony or the bailiff,