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Braided rigs can tangle with running leads, but there is PVA to cure that, and feathering the cast also helps. The lead can also end up with the rig around it on landing on the lakebed, but is tangle free, but tangles on the retrieve as the lead pops free

I actually think that a number of people are unintentionally fishing Zig rigs on helicopter set-ups, hence the Chod rigs reputation for cast anywhere. I try to work out the depth of the silt where I am fishing (a piece of wool tied to the lead will take on the colour of the lakebed), and then adjust the top bead accordingly. As for the use of leadcore, I had best say no more than the poxy stuff should be banned, there are far too many emotive threads on here about that subject

While I agree that on casting the bottom bead should in theory stop the rig sliding down towards the lead, it may actually slide down towards the lead anyway under pressure during the fight from a fish. You play a fish, and usually the line thins some, so a stop knot may well slide down the line towards the lead anyway. This can still result in the fish getting banged about with a lead close to the head. It may actually be better to fish a longer rig to keep the lead away from the fish during the fight, so thiose mega short 3 inch rigs could be a thing of the past The top bead you want enough rig travel so that the bait is presented on top (if that is where fish feeding) of the silt. As for whether you fish tight or slack, my view with a silt rig is that you want a very tight line, so that you get all indications. Single bleeps can often still be fish hooked. Secondary bleeps can be the fish doing a disappearing act, minus your hook. With a slack line, you may well be missing indications, especially as the lead is semi-fixed.

Hi Tim went to shallowbrook my local lake and had one fish and my arm was aching and the rod was bending more than ever before so thought 'great its a biggie' then it came off! As you can imagine the air was blue!!! Brave man fishing there always hearing of setups and tackle going walkies there. I can say the same of many waters, and in some cases (NOT all) it is put about to keep putting anglers off from fishing the water. Yes, there are all sorts of "tales" put about to discourage incoming anglers. Can't comment on Shallowbrook, I've never been there. Ian A couple of smallish lakes on the outskirts of Norwich, admittedly near the infamous Larkman area of the city, but I can never remember any trouble down at the lakes on the few times I had fished there. I found Taverham Mills a mile or so up the road far more interesting and better looking with a better quality of fish. As for Taswood, I do know that there were a number of fish movements around the site to cover up missing and lost fish. The quality of angler was not necessarily the highest as it was run as a holiday complex with a very loose attitude by the owners/bailiffs at times. I also believe, note believe, not fact, but rumour that not all of the fish that were stocked into the Taswood complex were properly licensed and with the complete EA Section 30 consents. Now of course, as I said this is a heavy rumour, but as I did used to have a fair bit of contact with the area, from the people who these rumours came from I do have faith in their integrity, so the choice is yours

Hi Tim went to shallowbrook my local lake and had one fish and my arm was aching and the rod was bending more than ever before so thought 'great its a biggie' then it came off! As you can imagine the air was blue!!! Brave man fishing there always hearing of setups and tackle going walkies there. I can say the same of many waters, and in some cases (NOT all) it is put about to keep putting anglers off from fishing the water. Yes, there are all sorts of "tales" put about to discourage incoming anglers. Can't comment on Shallowbrook, I've never been there. Ian A couple of smallish lakes on the outskirts of Norwich, admittedly near the infamous Larkman area of the city, but I can never remember any trouble down at the lakes on the few times I had fished there. I found Taverham Mills a mile or so up the road far more interesting and better looking with a better quality of fish. As for Taswood, I do know that there were a number of fish movements around the site to cover up missing and lost fish. The quality of angler was not necessarily the highest as it was run as a holiday complex with a very loose attitude by the owners/bailiffs at times. I also believe, note believe, not fact, but rumour that not all of the fish that were stocked into the Taswood complex were properly licensed and with the complete EA Section 30 consents. Now of course, as I said this is a heavy rumour, but as I did used to have a fair bit of contact with the area, from the people who these rumours came from I do have faith in their integrity, so the choice is yours

Hi Tim went to shallowbrook my local lake and had one fish and my arm was aching and the rod was bending more than ever before so thought 'great its a biggie' then it came off! As you can imagine the air was blue!!! Brave man fishing there always hearing of setups and tackle going walkies there. I can say the same of many waters, and in some cases (NOT all) it is put about to keep putting anglers off from fishing the water.

Are these any use? http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=54671&highlight=taswood http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=40879&highlight=taswood

Waterpark Suffolk Sunday 20th October - Match Lake 1 closed for Corporate Match. ALL OTHER LAKES OPEN FOR BUSINESS AS USUAL. Thank you for your support!

From the Norfolk Venues Sticky at the top of the page: (There are also a couple of threads on the lake under Cranworth or Woodrising if you hit the search button, but most are short) I fished it years ago and it was quite an easy venue and the best area to fish was the far end of the lake away from the car park. Wamps and I had a few fish out, but they have definitely grown since then and the lake has been extended from its original L shape.

I was going to add to my previous post, but forgot to edit it, what about using your main line as your mono hooklink as well? It works, it means you aren't buying extra line for the sake of it as well, and is something I have been known to do In fact if you get hold of a copy of Tim Paisleys To Catch a Carp, on the rigs chapter a few recommendations from some big names for doing exactly that. It is something that Paddy Webb, Lee Jackson and others often do (or did) Debated and thought about it, finally decided to moce this into Rig Tying section

For Carp fishing I use a few nylon hooklink materials. 15lb clear Amnesia. 7lb Berkeley Trilene XL 12lb Drennan Sub Surface Fly Leader in green or brown These hooklink materials are the ones I use for surface fishing and bottom fishing on the occasions I am happy to use a nylon hooklink (which on day sessions I often do). The Amnesia will take a Rapala loopknot at the mainline end, and a 3 turn blood knot. The Drennan and Berkeley I tend to use a knotless knot to tie the hook on, and then my standard Uni knot at the swivel end mainline join.

The Main Lake and Jacobs Creek are absolutely jam packed with weed, some swims in summer on the main lake are unfishable, and I do mean it in the proper sense. Now my view on Jacobs Creek is that it is not quite as the management say about it, and the management view that it is jam packed with 30's is not quite the truth. I understand the analogy about golf, but then I find golf hard to comprehend, why whack a ball from one end f a course to the other, attempting to put it into 18 little holes, and I find golf boring, whereas fishing is not. The thing with Jacobs Creek is that it is very weedy, and you have to be able to deal with fishing in the weed. To my mind you should ALWAYS walk around a lake before you fish. You should be able to fit into the surroundings, and your abilities and skills should match. Yes, you should try to improve, to get better, which sometimes means taking a bite bigger than you can chew, but if you had looked around Jacobs Creek beforehand then you would know what to expect, and made the choice to fish it or not.

Not new, but is this any help: http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=42085&highlight=rib+valley http://ribvalleyfishinglakes.co.uk/

Try using a paper clip to attach the lead to with a running lead

Although not mine as such, I have always looked after them, I miss my Mother and Stepfathers dogs. Barnaby is mad, and has caused me grief over the years, whereas Douglas is a little lap dog but both absolutely love fishing with me. I do also miss my childrens cat, a mostly white tortoiseshell that they have called Tallulah and their Staff, a brindle that they got from RSPCA, called Bongo As for Barnaby putting me through it, have a read: http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=31800&highlight=barnaby

I found a picture of the Beach Beads that I used to use. Please note that you MUST NOT glue them together, despite the instructions. They are designed for Sea Fishing, where the use of glue may not be as big a hazard, but for carp fishing and any helicopters, DO NOT glue them. http://www.coxandrawle.com/products/accessories/beach-beads I'm not so sure about a helicopter being the easiest to lose the lead if the mainline snaps, it has to be possible for the rig to be ejected. On the occasions that I have had a snap-off on Brackens pool where the fish made it to snags, or on occasion I have overcast into a tree and the mainline snapped, I have always found that the mainline snapped at the knot between mainline and the hooklink swivel. The knot is the weakest part of the equation, and that first knot (should you be using a leader), is always the place it has snapped for me. Since I use a free running lead, I know that the fish is not trailing anymore than the rig should it get picked up.

Sorry for capitals, but straight from SWP FB: MATCHLAKE 0NE! CLOSED FRIDAY 27TH AND SATURDAY 28TH SEPT 2013 CORPORATE DAY. ALL OTHER LAKES OPEN. SUNDAY 29TH ALL LAKES OPEN AS USUAL . THANKYOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

20lb carp are now being caught out of the Traditional Lake. I have seen pics of a proper looking 24lb common

Zipp shaped Inline lead with a long braided hooklink, line aligned and a PVA bag full of pellets, chops, crumbs and boilies

Agreed entirely, the only thing as anglers that we can do is to make sure that we fish as safely as possible. Helicopter set-ups can be made as safe as possible by using a free running bead which allow the rig to be ejected in the event of a snap-off (I used to use Cox and Rawle Beach Beads), or by a few simple homemade items put together. A piece of rigid tubing with a tail rubber on the end, a rubber bead as a stopper at each end, and a ring swivel with your rig in between the beads. In the event of a snap-off the rubber bead at the rod tip end will pull off the tubing, and allow the rig to come free. It MUST (or as close to 100% as possible) then be able to come over the mainline breakage. If you want it fixed near the lead the tail rubber can be pushed onto the rigid tubing and used to cover the lead attachment (to me a lead clip), but if you do want it free running, then the rubber bead is at the end. I'll agree it can look a bit Heath Robinson, but it definitely works http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37603

A running lead should be instantly more safe with the run ring running on the mainline. In the event of a snap-off the lead will be ejected and so the fish is only trailing the rig and at most length of line, which should allow for the hook to be ejected. On the case of helicopter rig and a snap-off the fish is likely automatically trailing a lead as well as the rig. If the rig itself is free running up and down the mainline then it should pull free of the end of the snapped mainline. However in that case then should you be fishing with slack lines (and no snap-off), then the rig can be ejected with no indication at the rod end.

I agree with yours and Gaz's comment about too much clothing in the bag. At night in the winter one of the best things to wear is a pair of jogging bottoms; they are light enough to wear comfortably and if it does get chilly out should you need to get up, then you can pull a decent pair of trousers over them. A t-shirt for the top half is also easy enough to pull warm clothing and jackets over, although playing a fish trying to pull a smock style hoodie or jacket on is a bit awkward, so I would suggest putting clothing on before getting out the bivvy if possible. As for sleeping bag, a mate of mine swears by his Trakker Big Snooze and cover, although I went the camping shop option and got myself a minus 12 bag by Coleman.

A standard rig? A D-rig is my standard pop-up rig, and it also works nicely with snowman bait set-ups. As for bottom bait, a knotless knotted hook with a decent length hair and a line aligner. The good thing about a knotless knot is that by adding a piece of shrink or silicone tubing can be converted to a line aligner easily. Now my comment about a standard rig is that every rig may well be constructed exactly the same, but you can change it by your choice of hooklink materials; braid coated or not, mono, fluorocarbon, combi-rig.

The fact that you can lower the bait in really helps. Crays can be a right pain in the bottom, although I'm certain that carp will eat small ones, even if they do leave the monsters. I've had baits that I'm positive have been crayed in the lagoons, a series of bleeps and later that night had a carp on the bait. When I retrieved the hook from the fishes lip I could see the meshed bait had been attacked, but the carp were still happy to take it.

Some good advice there from Beanz... To answer your question: I am not a fan of the chod rig at the best of times due to the tendency for the mainline / leader to be lifted up off the bottom. This effect could be magnified fishing so close in on a slackish line. The fact that the bait is popped up is also perhaps something I would avoid when fishing over particles or chops. Just because it is choddy under the tree does not mean that you have to use a chod rig. Personally I would just swing out a little bag with a bottom bait (balanced if you like). If you are worried about the chod either drag a lead through it (you can get little "rake" leads with prongs on for this) a couple of times or give it a gentle rake - just not when you're fishing or the fish are there! The last time I fished under a margin tree, I just pulled a lead across the spot once to check for big snags and lowered a little mesh bag under it. It was away in an hour... Would you go running lead? And would that be inline or on a clip or not really fussed? Do you mean a small bag just for hook or a pva bag with lead and hook in? I'm the same as HNV in that I won't use a chod or silt set-up when fishing over particles close in. In fact my preferred method, especially when fishing one rod, is with lift float tactics if possible. If that is not practical then as long a hooklink as I can get away with and a bottom bait. I feel that pop-ups are a risk for foul hooking and fishing a bait above where the fish are feeding. That is not to say a pop-up won't work, as sometimes it could be the first bait taken, but that if the fish are feeding comfortably on the bottom, then that is where I want my bait. I tend to stick to my favoured running lead set-up with a coated and stripped back near the hook or plain braid so that the hooklink doesn't sit up from the bottom.