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Yes, and in most cases work a whole lot better than a Chod style set-up Something that may interest you http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=49225

really? I thought the idea was the line below the chod sank into the muck and left the mainline at the chod free. The way you say it the bait would be hanging off the back of a mini flagpole in the silt - I dunno I like that method! A case of fish being caught despite the rig set-up

I'm not a fan of quick links, and won't use them. All my PVA bag rigs are pretty standard, and if I put the hooklink inside the bag always made of braid Knotless knotted or line aligned hook tied to swivel, length dependant on how I feel the fish are feeding. While a short hooklink is pretty standard it is one thing that you can play around with. As much as I like a balanced or buoyant bait at times, the hookbait wafting up and around can leave you with a hooklink sticking out, whereas if it is camouflaged under a pile of food as a bottom bait usually ends up it may not be so obvious. Are these any use? http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=27183 http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=32920

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Posts like this make my day, Thank You Something else for you, that I didn't think of at the time; A pop-up rig in most cases I would fish the bait tight to the hook shank, whether the fish suck in or mouth the bait you want the 2 close together to be taken in, yet with a bottom bait you may find that a large separation is better

Good advice from zammo. If the answer is no, or maybe...don't be afraid to experiment. It's interesting that you are having one on pop up and one on bottom baits. Generally choose one or other. If you don't have debris, weed, silt on the bottom there no need to have a pop up... They just look odd. by all means have something buoyant in the rig to make the bottom bait critically balanced...but don't have it floating three inches above the deck Equally if you have all of the above, try a pop up to present over the top of it. But don't feel you need a pop up just because the mags say you should use a pop rig. I re tied all of my rods today co incidentally ready for the spring period. I have one ready for maggots (supple braid) one ready for a balanced bait (flouro to braid combi) and a chod as a roving bait. The first two will be fished over bait and the chod will be a single that I cast at showing fish. By May I will re tie them all again, as i change my approach as the water heats up. On both my rods I will use the same type of rigs as I used last year, and neither will be a pop-up rig (snowman maybe ). The rigs I used 2 years ago produced fish that hadn't been caught before or for a long time, from pressured swims and were different to other anglers, and I will use the same style all the way through the year. The one thing I will say, don't confuse yourself with rigs, in most cases a standard knotless knotted rig will work, for bottom baits and pop-ups, although if the fish are getting away with it (or not getting a good hookhold), then a play with rig, hair length or line aligner setup may be beneficial. That standard rig will produce loads of fish, the thing you have to get right is the feeding situation. Just because a lake may be silty does not mean that you have to use a chod rig It may well present a bait above the silt, but why would you want to do that when the fish actually feed in it? Same as why present a bait in the silt if they prefer to feed on top of it? A blatant pop-up can be a danger signal to some fish, thats whether it is a hi visibility or overflavoured bait, or even a food source pop-up. It may be that you are fishing a pop-up above their heads when they are comfortably feeding on the deck. A carp may well not know that the bait is 5centimetres above the lakebed, but if its mouth is down on the lakebed it may well not even take it as its not where it is feeding. Yet if you have a high amount of weed with food trapped at various heights in the weed growth the carp will take a pop-up at whatever height

Totally slack on the lakebed going into every trough and crevice and still running slack to the end tackle? NO! Leadcore does not go into every crevice, it is not supple enough, and fished on a tight line will be lifting up to the rod tip in an arc, same with tubing, even with flying backleads or putty, in fact you can be lifting the putty up if you have the line at all taut. If you want tubing, mainline or that poxy leadcore to just lay flat along the lakebed then you will need a slack line If there are any lifts then you may as well accept that by tightening up with a backlead, putty or anything then the line will be pulled tight over that emergant feature.

I think everyone and his dog know my views on Leadcore (I hate the stuff), but I have to give the option for people to choose. I can definitely see the side on bead in this instance, and Beanz and I have had a discussion about another rig published where a bead appeared to be pierced sideways (it wasn't). I think that that is in itself part of the "instant" problem, the relative ease of which the Chod rig is seen as the be all and end all answer to carp fishing. The actual rig I wanted Danny to look at was this one: Helicopter Silt Rig Set-UP: It then gives the option of using a leadcore or fluoro leader if required (which as most seem to agree is not), or tubing, which as long as all the beads and swivel should be able to slide up and over any knot the fish is not trailing any dangerous tackle which may cause a tethering in the event of a break-off

Si, I'm glad the dog is ok, don't beat yourself up over it, these things happen, just from a moments "inattention" a dog can do all manner of things. There is a good note in all this though, you know that your bait will work, although I have found cats to be even better bait testers than dogs who often eat absolutely anything *edited for typo*

Danny, Please, can you use the search facility a little bit http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=36456 http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37603 The top thread is entitled Chod Rigs, and is in the Stickies section, with a link to some lead set-ups, which is the 2nd link I have given

Rig Pic somewhere on here: http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=42302 Only thing I've changed is the hook pattern as I haven't been able to get hold of FLB's locally and so moved over to Gamakatsu G-point GP204's and Gardner Muggas

I love the chipped orange tip of an old Porcupine quill myself Lift float method fished slightly overdepth, and if you are quiet enough its easy enough to present the float in and then slide the float up on a single float band to the depth without scaring the fish. I tend to use the mainline to hooklink join (swivel or knot) as the place to put the weight, be it shot or putty.

A chapter that Ken Townley wrote in Tim Paisleys Big Carp shows how rigs are almost irrelevant in a fishing situation. He tied a rig up as he had been shown at Savay, so I presume it was the original Savay Looney rig, the extended hookshank being achieved by a length of tubing, and fished it on his local water. The carp in the lake were able to eject the hook on many occasions, in fact he had less than 50% hook-up. He tried again, by changing the pattern, still not effective. He then went back to his standard set-up, which I believe from memory was a critically balanced bait with the hair extension tag being used to hold the counterweight. That rig landed most of the takes he had on that water, and he had been watching pick-ups to runs and ejection from above the water. Now the KD rig is just the current fashion rig that the magazines are publishing, its slightly different from the knotless knotted rig. Yet years ago when Jim Gibbinson was playing with rigs in an attempt to recreate the effects of the Bent Hook rig that was causing damage he found that by using what has become termed the "Line aligner", he converted far more pick ups than a standard hook tied on with a hair. The Line aligner has faded out of fashion, maybe because the knotless knot is easy to tie and in theory the hook should turn, flip and get a hookhold, especially with the curved shank patterns we are using. Now I fully admit that at the moment the rigs I'm using are far more complicated than the KD rig, strange, considering I'm the person who started the "Complicated rigs" thread , and I will also say , that if you create or tie a rig, then in most cases the reason it often fails is because the feeding situation is not in such a state to get the fish feeding comfortably, as a result many rigs are not working as effectively as they could.

snowman rig I've read is best in the mid winter and I'm going to try it in the summer. The Snowman presentation is good all the year around. It is basically a larger bait on the bottom of the hair (nearest the hook) and a smaller "top" bait; It could be a 6mm pop-up over an 8mm bottom bait, or even a piece of (fake) corn on top of a boilie. Just getting the 2 balanced usually so that the bait isn't fished "popped-up". As for pop-ups themselves it could be that you are trying to fish a bait above the bottom debris like leaves or twigs, or that you are presenting a bait "in their face", be it a hi-attract or food source bait. I'm the same as Jemsue, I have had big fish on pop-ups but because I have gotten a food source bait working prefer to fish bottom (food source) baits or snowman set-up, usually a piece of corn or bright bait as a "sight stop" if I do fish a snowman.

Earith around the Marina's You'll be expected to plenty of your own work, river carping is never as easy as locating them on a lake the stretch towards willingham on that dodgy road? are they on that swac membership that covers block fen/ milton etc...... ?? Dodgy road? The nice one that speeds through the fens, er that will be the one I couldn't tell you what club runs it, I was always on my way to the lakes at Earith

Earith around the Marina's You'll be expected to plenty of your own work, river carping is never as easy as locating them on a lake

When Woodbridge and District had the water I spent a fair bit of time around the lake. It was almost my "bolthole" during the summer along with a mate. We spent many hours fishing and watching the fish in there, and caught a fair few. There were a number of good fish that we have seen that were very rarely put on the bank. You could see plenty of good fish under the surface and even get them feeding under the bank in the "out of bounds", the islands between the pump house and the back bay. In particular there was a very big sandy coloured mirror that would come in close and push most of the other fish out the way. There were also a number of Leney stock, linears etc that were in there, that I have seen caught at over 20lb. Add into that a number of fish that WDAA put in, some commons and mirrors around a few pounds. Yet last year when I was supposed to be working and sorting out a price for putting a fire extinguisher in the pump house I wangled a view (thank you Mr. Bailiff), and saw nothing into double figures. I had a long conversation with the bailiff as well about where the fish went and otters were not the first choice

It wasn't otters who got the majority of the fish From a syndicate last year it has gone back to one of the local clubs (Saxmundham I think)

Simples Get a piece of rigid tubing, 2 soft rubber beads, a tail rubber if you want the "semi-fixed" effect of the rubber holding the tubing onto the lead attachment and a ring swivel. A soft rubber bead at either end of the tubing with the rig on the ring swivel in between the two, (the large ring on the tubing). If you want it held in place on the lead attachment (a quick link clip on swivel works as well as anything), then the tail rubber will hold it onto the swivel and also hold the lead in place I played with the idea years ago, and I mean years ago (at least 10) so have some pictures somewhere, even if they were using some darn awful Nash Outpoint hooks as my idea gathering

For hooklinks I use Drennan Sub Surface Fly Leader, not the most fashionable, but it works Mainline I still haven't got past Daiwa Sensor, and yes, I do make sure that that bit floats

Some very nice comments so far in this thread An honest answer here: Forget about rigs, get confident in what works for you, and a most basic knotless knotted hook with or without a line aligner will hook the majority of fish actually caught in Britain. There is a current fashion being perpetrated by magazines that you have to use the KD rig, the 360 rig, or whatever. Its Bull The thing with rigs is that you need to consider what the lakebed is made up of, and if it helps you, camouflage your hooklink to that lakebed. So for gravel, which is usually a mix of browns, reds, yellows, black etc, a hooklink that matches that As for Lead set-ups, there is always going to be a lot of talk about which is best, but here is a very simple answer for you. If you use a Running lead set-up, just by fishing a tight line you can have a semi-fixed set-up. The tight line prevents the lead from running up the line on a take. Fish that same lead set-up with a slack line, and it becomes a truly running set-up It is also the most user and carp friendly in the event of a break-off. The lead can be ejected from the mainline, and if you are using the split run rings, then in the event of a snag up the lead can be ejected with no problems, leaving you with a direct line to the fish.

SWP is not an easy place any time of the year. Hintlesham may give you more chance of a fish, but is a lot smaller and the fish aren't as big for the same money. http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=16535 http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=46857

Taverham Mills has the specimen lakes which Day Ticket anglers can night fish on the Mills lake itself, then I think as a day only there is Costessey Pits No1 and No2. All part of Anglian Waters Taverham Mills complex, but check on that 01603 861014. If you wish to Google it, I'm certain it will come up, also I think the url link is in the Norfolk Waters in the UK Where to fish Stickies

Well I'm not going to give away the location of where a couple of 40lb fish have come from now am I Po... Post... No I can't do it

What are the 2 main rivers in Norwich? Wensum and Yare. There you have it There is actually a thread in the past where there is a lot of information I keyed in with locations of some of the River fishing around the Broads area