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Considering you keep referencing the principles of debate you don't half come up with some strange responses mate. I only use boiled baits for certain times of the year when I believe they're at their most effective. Those are the periods when the carp will choose the aminos they detect with their gustatory and the olfactory senses over other baits such as particles. The best way to offer them that is a top quality fishmeal boilie. Imo. You'd be right to wonder how often I go fishing. I have a full time job and a wonderful young family at home that are the priority in my life. I normally get a day or two on the bank per month which goes about halfway to satisfying my love of angling. Luckily it's just enough to achieve results and if you read through the catch reports on here you'll see I do OK given my limited time. A1 Pits is just round the corner from me. A proper circus I'm sure you'll agree. Unlike you I do still target big fish waters which as you can imagine given the time I have is a very tall order. "Being quiet, watching the water, location, moving onto fish, getting a good drop, and my own water craft" are simple pre-requisites on such waters. Without them you'd blank all year. Each to their own mate. For me the ultimate feeding trigger (in terms of boiled baits) is the key aminos released as the proteins in a well balanced active bait break down. You cannot achieve that with soya and flavouring. But ultimately I think confidence goes a long way to being successful so if you're happy with the bait you use and you're happy with your results then none of the above matters 👍 P.S. The way you babble on about 'debate' when you clearly really struggle to reply to anyone without sounding condescending and patronizing will not win you any friends Dicky.

looks real good, baitworks would be my first choice, i used the royal marine before a very high quality bait, only used once and didn't catch but that's more the lake i was fishing, if i could by it in large bulk and freeze i'd be happy, trying to order a few kilo here and there is not very practical so i try to call in the bait makers themselves, back to the topic of why bait is being discounted could be a number of things combining, over production based on last year's sales, end of summer stockpile and more people want a better bait, even the mighty Mainline struggles for freezer space in the shops. Mainline seemed to lose the plot after cell keep trying for something really different to the rest but not really doing much.

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wish i could get that organised i got a new leader this week i must bee keen as i tied on the same day, should be out Thursday was going tomorrow but that went west fast, pick the bait up from whacker catcher after i set up in my peg lol. got the hook baits already so i'm halfway there.

Yeh, heard this few weeks back, does look interesting.

Are you taking the mick?🤣 I give up. We bow to your superior experience, knowledge, and intellect. Good bait is a myth. We're all wasting our time. Thank you for saving us👍

It's a debate, not an argument. If you don't want to have another opinion then say so, but I simply do not believe carp can become preoccupied on such little bait, unless other we're in on the baiting campaign??. Have you added that into the thought process? People in denial, simply don't won't other people offering them an alternative view, its a we'll know syndrome for deniers. It's fine to give me your credentials, but you don't know mine do you? If its true you did indeed manage waters in a professional capacity, then I'm sorry your writing and explanation simply does not suggest that, so do you have a professional qualification in aquaculture? That would be a BSc hon degree, yes? I put to you or a professional person, your not reading my post clearly enough, I did not ignore the type of water, in fact I gave you the three examples, high food type, med food type, low food type. I'm keeping it simple for full understand. Water management is for more than just bait my friend, or just taking out a few fish, it's far more complicated than that. For fish to maintain an optimum level of health, avoid stress or disease then the water quality of the water must be monitored and controlled 24/7. Fish become stressed when key water quality parameters such as temperature, pH nitrogenous waste, dissolved oxygen and salinity are not kept with specified thresholds. Its not an argument, I'm not telling you what to think, it's only what I think, and why I think your analogy is incorrect. It was you that said you managed waters, and had an understanding of biology and ecology, so you should be comfortable holding your own in a simple debate, you must have had to in your work? I still genuinely believe we are being taken in on the bait, boilie front. Unless you bait in huge quantities, no one bait will out fish another, why, the carp have no way of knowing what is good for them. I'll give you a true story of genuine pre-occupation. On one water I fish we seem to have had a few feral pigeons, clearly lost. They were looking really ill and not eating bread or sweetcorn donated by anglers. One chap (cleverly) said they were use to only eating seeds, so he started bringing in bird seeds, and the birds flourished, we have maybe a dozen now. Because from birth those birds only knew seed as food, they did not recognise any other food type. full preoccupation. It's just an example, because carp have been raised to eat anything and will try anything that looks like food. Kind regards, Richard.

Crushed Manilla, Chopped Manilla, Manilla pellets, add Liquid n Sweetcorn night before I'm next out.... 20 of each made up...