Crimping and fluorocarbon

[elmoputney]

19 minutes ago, framey said:

Be interesting to find out won’t it lol

No, no it won't, I don't want to get involved. I'm gonna maintain I don't care 😂😂

[framey]

23 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

No, no it won't, I don't want to get involved. I'm gonna maintain I don't care 😂😂

But you know you are gonna do it 

go on 

do it 

do it 

[Higham1987]

48 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

No, no it won't, I don't want to get involved. I'm gonna maintain I don't care 😂😂

 

25 minutes ago, framey said:

But you know you are gonna do it 

go on 

do it 

do it 

I DOUBLE dare you 🤣🤣

[elmoputney]

38 minutes ago, framey said:

Be interesting to find out won’t it lol

That's as far as I am going, 

Well maybe I needed to see what an obstacle looked like 

But that's it 😂

[salokcinnodrog]

23 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

That's as far as I am going, 

Well maybe I needed to see what an obstacle looked like 

But that's it 😂

Test it on gravel, not Rocky bottoms...

[framey]

On 11/10/2024 at 18:58, salokcinnodrog said:

Test it on gravel, not Rocky bottoms...

👏👏👏

[salokcinnodrog]

On 11/10/2024 at 10:54, kevtaylor said:

or try to master some sort of perfect loop knot.

I can't see me not using a braided boom section despite the visibility of it over fluoros and monos, simply because I don't like the idea of it sitting funny.  I'm not finding clear gravel areas on the pits I'm fishing.  If I went down the stiff boom route I'd have to use heli's as standard and I much prefer clips for convenience/lazy and imo better hooking.

For perfect round loop knots, you can get it very tidy with the Rapala knot. I get the perfect circle tying it round a Solar rig tool, the stainless tool that would stretch and slide beads to push tubing inside them.

I've actually used it for coated braids, mono and fluorocarbon.

I'm not sure about the visibility of braids against other materials, I think it is more natural, feeling more like weed. My choice for years has been Merlin but I do have some Gardner Camflex and Tricklink.

On looking for them in the margins in very clear water, they are invisible.

[salokcinnodrog]

On 10/10/2024 at 18:08, salokcinnodrog said:

It was Rod Hutchinson who said "test a knot by hammering it".

I presume he meant give it a good pull, yank it, put it under pressure.

Every knot I tie, I test it, every crimp trace, whether for pike or sea fishing I test it.

I don't like crimped rigs for carp fishing. 

 

On 11/10/2024 at 10:27, elmoputney said:

However hard a fish pulls not all the pressure will be on the crimped boom, there is also however much line acting as a shock absorber behind it.

 

On 10/10/2024 at 16:01, kevtaylor said:

My mate used the crimps as described and pulled hard on the finished rigs - every one snapped at the crimp.  Thinking he was doing something wrong he explained the issue to a guy on the Korda stand at a show - he made a rig and passed it to my mate who pulled it and it snapped at the crimp exactly the same, the guy didn't know what to say and hurried away to a different customer.

I won't use them full stop after this, not that I was considering anyway.

I'd recommend really testing the finished rigs, are they as strong as you imagined?

 

On 11/10/2024 at 10:27, elmoputney said:

if I have played a fish so hard that my set up has failed I would call that bad angling on my part.

Bad angling?

So is it bad angling to tighten down to attempt to keep a fish away from a snag?

Or a weed bed? I think not!

Now when it comes to line snapping in breakages, it is nearly always at the join closest to the rod tip, hooklink swivel or leader knot, that is the 'pressure point'. If you have 18-20lb 0.38-0.40mm mainline and a decent knot, then the weakest point is the 0.36mm fluorocarbon crimp. A fish does not know how much pressure it is exerting, so at times as in my first paragraph to keep it out of the snags I might really put the pressure on.

With braided hooklinks, it is quite possible, even probable, that the hooklink is a higher breaking strain than the mainline!

 

I know my mainline to hooklink swivel join is strong. I have wrapped the mainline around my hand, and pulled extremely hard putting pressure on the knot. I do the same to hooks, using a hook puller, with carp tackle, pike tackle and sea fishing gear.

That is on carp fishing hooklinks in any material, any knot, or as I do with some braided, even spliced. 

 

[Carpbell3]

Never say never 

I have been using crimps for a few years now and not had a problem big fish as well, you need to be fussy when using the crimps you can feel the crimp snap closed when they are on right if there is any squash in the crimp the line slips about in the crimp causing the break above the crimp, least that is what I have found.

I use them for combi rigs and booms in general if you don't like the crimps Gemini tackle do fused booms that are really decent 👌 

[elmoputney]

2 hours ago, Carpbell3 said:

Never say never 

I have been using crimps for a few years now and not had a problem big fish as well, you need to be fussy when using the crimps you can feel the crimp snap closed when they are on right if there is any squash in the crimp the line slips about in the crimp causing the break above the crimp, least that is what I have found.

I use them for combi rigs and booms in general if you don't like the crimps Gemini tackle do fused booms that are really decent 👌 

Agreed if a krimp isn't right it will slip. I always listen for that clicking sound when I crimp them, then I pull them enough to see if they will slip. 

The gemini booms are decent to be fair I have used them myself